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  • M105/M205 thoughts & Questions

    So, yesterday I was working on a family member black Audi A8. Beautiful car in horrible condition.

    I'm going to be doing a FULL correction in the coming weeks and just worked on the driver side front quarter panel to show my brother-in-law how the car would look. It brought up some thoughts and questions I'd like to share.

    1. The M105/M205 combination is sick. So disgustingly good at removing swirls and making the finish pop, I was amazed.

    2. I think it was Porscheguy who or Mark who said they find M105 with a DA (G110) leaves the finish nearly LSP ready. I have to say, I think whoever said it is spot on. It may not be 100% show car ready after M105, but its not far either.

    3. I like M205 better than M80. Don't get me wrong, M80 and I have been hot for a long time, but M205 was just a much younger model with better legs!

    Issues:

    4. This car is swirled so badly that when I removed the swirls I started to see plenty of RIDS which I did not notice while the swirls were present. I used M105 over the quarter panel with an LC 4" CCS foam pad (orange) at speed setting 5 (three passes over quarter panel). I actually did half the quarter panel at a time (3 passes each half). All swirls gone after two passes, but the RIDS remained. I cannot feel them (ie: they have no depth), but I cannot remove them. Should I quit (when I do the full detail) or should I keep hammering with M105 and my G110?

    5. After the M105 I did one finishing pass with M205. Again, the finish was amazing EXCEPT for the RIDS. I didn't do a second pass with M205 because the paint looked good and I figured M205 wasn't going to remove the RIDS, so I stopped after one.

    6. In finished with M07 and NXT 2.0. Once completed, you could no longer see the RIDS, probably on account of the oils in M07 and NXT 2.0's ability to conceal mild defects. I was very pleased by this because it gave me a perfect looking finish (and probably to the untrained eye) it would have looked pretty perfect even with the RIDS, but the question is, since my M07 + NXT2 combo made it *look* perfect, is it worth hammering away at those pesky RIDS?

    7. I am going to do my best to do before and after shots of this car when I do the full detail. If I can get this entire car looking like the quarter panel, it will be my best work yet. My brother-in-law told me I should get out of the law business and into the detailing business (the highest compliment I've ever received doing a car).

    Stay tuned!
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    3Fitty - Now recommending products I have never used.

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    Re: M105/M205 thoughts & Questions

    RIDS are truly a pain to deal with.

    First, I would take another 4" orange pad and prime it (Link) with some M105. That should help increase the cut a bit.

    If that doesn't work, I would try a Surbuf R Series pad (Surbuf.com). These pads look silly, but cut a lot. You will probably need to follow it up with a less aggressive polish afterwards. There may be a small amount of micromarring.


    Things have really changed in the past year. Remember the M83 and M80 combo? I have used M80 twice in the past few months. M205 is so good that it really has replaced M80. Kinda makes me wish I hadn't bought that gallon of M80...

    I'll be looking for that write-up!
    Chris
    Dasher Detailing Services

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    • #3
      Re: M105/M205 thoughts & Questions

      Wow... that pad priming is a GREAT idea. Thanks for the link! That was a great post you created at autopia. You should create one here for those of us who have been banished from autopia! LOL

      I'm going to try prming first and then the Surbuf pads second. I'll see how it goes and I'll do a full write up with good pics.
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      3Fitty - Now recommending products I have never used.

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      • #4
        Re: M105/M205 thoughts & Questions

        Originally posted by 3Fitty View Post
        You should create one here for those of us who have been banished from autopia! LOL.


        And for those of us that forgot it even existed. I removed it from my quicklinks and sort of forgot about it.

        Great info Chris! I'm really looking forward to using M105 and M205 this summer.
        Scott

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        • #5
          Re: M105/M205 thoughts & Questions

          Thanks Chris for that bit of info. I think I may have slightly been over priming my pads.
          Jesse

          2009-2014 Meguiar's/Car Crazy SEMA Team
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          • #6
            Re: M105/M205 thoughts & Questions

            I just recieved my 105 and 205 from ADS can not wait to give them a try

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            • #7
              Re: M105/M205 thoughts & Questions

              [quote=3Fitty;294765]4. This car is swirled so badly that when I removed the swirls I started to see plenty of RIDS which I did not notice while the swirls were present. I used M105 over the quarter panel with an LC 4" CCS foam pad (orange) at speed setting 5 (three passes over quarter panel). I actually did half the quarter panel at a time (3 passes each half). All swirls gone after two passes, but the RIDS remained. I cannot feel them (ie: they have no depth), but I cannot remove them. Should I quit (when I do the full detail) or should I keep hammering with M105 and my G110?

              [quote]

              when you say you did three passes, is that worked it for a little while, removed product, checked results and then worked the area again, rechecked, worked again? Or 1 application with three slow passes only once?

              If that makes sense??

              Thanks for your time
              2008 Toyota Corolla 5-spd
              2005 Honda CRF250R
              2002 kawasaki Ninja ZX9R

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              • #8
                Re: M105/M205 thoughts & Questions

                Hey Fitty! IMO I would say leave the RIDS alone. It sounds like this is a DD and the car will likely end up in the same condition over time.

                If they are willing to put in the effort required to maintain the finish then maybe work them a little more but it's still probably not worth it.


                Cheers,
                Rasky
                Rasky's Auto Detailing

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                  Re: M105/M205 thoughts & Questions

                  Originally posted by 02zx9r View Post
                  when you say you did three passes, is that worked it for a little while, removed product, checked results and then worked the area again, rechecked, worked again? Or 1 application with three slow passes only once?

                  If that makes sense??

                  Thanks for your time
                  Put M105 on the pad (not primed the way Chris said), then worked it for a bit (probably about a minute or close to). Removed the product, checked the result then worked the area again.

                  I was working it until just before it was getting dry.

                  Sorry I wasn't more clear.
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                  3Fitty - Now recommending products I have never used.

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                  • #10
                    Re: M105/M205 thoughts & Questions

                    Originally posted by RaskyR1 View Post
                    Hey Fitty! IMO I would say leave the RIDS alone. It sounds like this is a DD and the car will likely end up in the same condition over time.

                    If they are willing to put in the effort required to maintain the finish then maybe work them a little more but it's still probably not worth it.


                    Cheers,
                    Rasky
                    First I'm going to try it with the primed pad and see where that gets me. If that doesn't work, I might quit.

                    Paint still looks AMAZING but I was (initially) hoping for perfection. I also *think* the paint is pretty hard on this car.
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                    3Fitty - Now recommending products I have never used.

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                    • #11
                      Re: M105/M205 thoughts & Questions

                      Sorry if this is a stupid question, but what are 'RIDS'?

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                      • #12
                        Re: M105/M205 thoughts & Questions

                        Originally posted by 3Fitty View Post
                        Put M105 on the pad (not primed the way Chris said), then worked it for a bit (probably about a minute or close to). Removed the product, checked the result then worked the area again.

                        I was working it until just before it was getting dry.

                        Sorry I wasn't more clear.
                        i thought that was what you did, but just wanted to make sure. You were clear with it in the original post so no worries.

                        Thanks!
                        2008 Toyota Corolla 5-spd
                        2005 Honda CRF250R
                        2002 kawasaki Ninja ZX9R

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                        • #13
                          Re: M105/M205 thoughts & Questions

                          Originally posted by RaskyR1 View Post
                          Hey Fitty! IMO I would say leave the RIDS alone. It sounds like this is a DD and the car will likely end up in the same condition over time.

                          If they are willing to put in the effort required to maintain the finish then maybe work them a little more but it's still probably not worth it.


                          Cheers,
                          Rasky
                          100% agree.

                          How did the RIDS get into the paint in the first place?

                          Has something changed in the equation that whatever caused them in the first place won't ever happen again? If not then removing them is kind of a mute point.

                          Besides that removing them means removing more and more of the valuable clear layer of paint which contains all of the UV protection for the basecoat.
                          Mike Phillips
                          760-515-0444
                          showcargarage@gmail.com

                          "Find something you like and use it often"

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                          • #14
                            Re: M105/M205 thoughts & Questions

                            Originally posted by Silverado12 View Post
                            Sorry if this is a stupid question, but what are 'RIDS'?
                            Random Isolated Deeper Scratches

                            Meguiars Online Accronyms
                            Last edited by 02zx9r; Mar 24, 2009, 11:08 AM. Reason: Added link
                            2008 Toyota Corolla 5-spd
                            2005 Honda CRF250R
                            2002 kawasaki Ninja ZX9R

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                            • #15
                              Re: M105/M205 thoughts & Questions

                              Originally posted by 02zx9r View Post
                              Random Isolated Deeper Scratches

                              Meguiar's Online Acronyms

                              Correctamundo...

                              Sometimes people leave out the letter i and type the acronym RDS but technically it's RIDS - Random Isolated Deeper Scratches.

                              The idea being these types of deeper scratches are not instilled in any kind of process but are randomly instilled usually by wear and tear over time as the vehicle is used as a daily driver and as such they are isolated to themselves and not part of any type of process.

                              Tracers are a good example of scratches that are not random, nor isolated as they are instilled usually in straight-line motions mimicking the direction a person moves their hand while hand-sanding.

                              Mike Phillips
                              760-515-0444
                              showcargarage@gmail.com

                              "Find something you like and use it often"

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