Why other companies promote a sealer/glaze before wax?

[mb911]

Hi.

I have noticed that some other companies promote using what they call a sealer/glaze, before waxing. They claim this fills in/hides some minor defects, and then you can top it with wax, to lock it all in.

Is there any validity to this? Does Meguiar's have any type of one of these sealer/glazes?

Thanks.

[Michael Stoops]

Re: Why other companies promote a sealer/glaze before wax?

Here at Meguiar's we use the term "Pure Polish" for this type of product. This would include things like M07 Show Car Glaze, M81 Hand Polish, and Deep Crystal Step 2 Polish.

We also consider this to be an option step, partly because the effects are most noticeable on darker colored cars and partly because it isn't something that really NEEDS to be done - plus a lot of folks aren't looking for a show car shine on their daily drivers, they just want something that looks good in as few steps as possible.

Further, we don't usually recommend these products for the sole purpose of filling in fine defects, but rather recommend you remove those first and then add a pure polish to add gloss, enhance depth and improve the overall beauty of the paint. These products do not provide any cleaning ability or protection, nor will they last very long if left exposed. Applying a good wax (but NOT a cleaner wax) on top will lock them down and protect your overall finish.

[Larry A]

Re: Why other companies promote a sealer/glaze before wax?

Meguiars call theres pure polish, the other company call theres sealer and glaze. Different names but both products serve the same purpose. At one time Meguiars called there #7 polish "Sealer and Glaze".

[ClearlyCoated]

Re: Why other companies promote a sealer/glaze before wax?

On my Honda Accord forum, one poster used NXT as his first step wax, then followed it up with a Klasse sealant. I asked him the purpose of using two sealants instead of a dedicated wax and sealant, and he answered that his finish went to an extra level of slickness. Does this sound about right?

[Mike Phillips]

Re: Why other companies promote a sealer/glaze before wax?

Meguiar's call theres pure polish, the other company call theres sealer and glaze. Different names but both products serve the same purpose. At one time Meguiar's called there #7 polish "Sealer and Glaze".

Here's a pictures that shows some of the history of #7

On my Honda Accord forum, one poster used NXT as his first step wax, then followed it up with a Klasse sealant. I asked him the purpose of using two sealants instead of a dedicated wax and sealant, and he answered that his finish went to an extra level of slickness. Does this sound about right?

Could be, the only way to know would be to apply NXT to one section and Klasse SG to another section and then the combo of KSG over NXT and then have someone feel all sections and grade them.

None of that really matters as long as the person likes their system and they're happy with it.

[Ivan Rajic]

Re: Why other companies promote a sealer/glaze before wax?

On my Honda Accord forum, one poster used NXT as his first step wax, then followed it up with a Klasse sealant. I asked him the purpose of using two sealants instead of a dedicated wax and sealant, and he answered that his finish went to an extra level of slickness. Does this sound about right?

That sounds dumb, imo... You can top something like Klasse SG with a carnauba wax but topping off NXT with KSG seems pointless and wrong... first of all, NXT probably gives a better 'pop' than KSG does, so why put KSG over NXT? Second, I'm sure there would be some bonding issues with the two...

I top off KSG with P21S wax for example with no issues

[Mike Phillips]

Re: Why other companies promote a sealer/glaze before wax?

I top off KSG with P21S wax for example with no issues

Is this on your personal daily driver? If so, what color of paint are you working on?

[Ivan Rajic]

Re: Why other companies promote a sealer/glaze before wax?

Is this on your personal daily driver? If so, what color of paint are you working on?

Yes personal car... Used to be 98 BMW 328i Jet Black and now it's 99 BMW M3 yellow... I use it mostly for durability and not looks because I'm not going to it with a shine meter or entering any shows haha...

KSG lasts me a long time by itself, and through winter I leave 3-4 layers of it alone, but in spring/summer/fall, when I'm washing weekly, every 4-5 washes I add a coat of P21S just because...

[akimel]

Re: Why other companies promote a sealer/glaze before wax?

Hi.

I have noticed that some other companies promote using what they call a sealer/glaze, before waxing. They claim this fills in/hides some minor defects, and then you can top it with wax, to lock it all in.

Though I have not yet tried a "filling" glaze, the idea behind it makes sense. If one intends to keep a car for a good while, one doesn't want to always be correcting its paint. As we know, a car only has so much clearcoat. Now I know that the goal is to so refine one's washing/drying techniques that one never swirls and scratches one's car, but I have not yet perfected this technique. Swirls and scratches simply appear. Perhaps I'm responsible, perhaps not--but whatever the reasons, they appear. Hence it makes sense to apply a product that might temporarily hide the swirls and scratches and save the paint correction for once or twice a year.

Cheers,
Al

[Bostonsfavson]

Re: Why other companies promote a sealer/glaze before wax?

The only glaze I've ever tried is Menzerna FTG, and I'm not impressed. It didn't really seem to do much, although I readily admit that perhaps I'm just not very proficient with it. I certainly like the idea of a glaze though, especially on my black truck.

[Mike Phillips]

Re: Why other companies promote a sealer/glaze before wax?

Try M81 Hand Polish

Apply gently to a clean surface, work over the paint making 2-3 passes over each square inch. If you're doing this by hand use a circular motion to spread the product out over an area about 20" square or so and then after spreading it out make your 2-3 passes over each square inch with some kind of hand pattern that works for you.

Wipe this product off gently with a clean, plush microfiber folded 4-ways and move onto the next section overlapping a little into the previous section.

After you've wen all the way around the truck give the entire truck one more final wipe using a fresh, clean, soft premium quality microfiber and wipe slowly and methodically to create a uniform deep wet shine.

Now top with your favorite wax or paint sealant.

[CieraSL]

Re: Why other companies promote a sealer/glaze before wax?

So you're saying that a sealer/glaze is different from a sealant, such as M07 or DC2 (both pure polishes) vs. #20 or #21 (sealants)? In that case, could you use #20 Polymer Sealant or #21 Synthetic Sealant and then top it with Nxt 2.0? Or would this be pointless? I've topped a sealant with a wax in the past and gotten excellent results, just wasn't sure if this would work with Meguiar's. Thanks!

[Mike Phillips]

Re: Why other companies promote a sealer/glaze before wax?

So you're saying that a sealer/glaze is different from a sealant, such as M07 or DC2 (both pure polishes) vs. #20 or #21 (sealants)?

This is part of the reason we changed the name on M07, it's because people confused the word sealer on the label with sealant, thus they confused a product that is water soluble with a product that is water resistant, two very different products.

The answer to your question is 'yes'.

[Michael Stoops]

Re: Why other companies promote a sealer/glaze before wax?

Keep in mind that a well applied glaze or pure polish can do wonders when it comes to hiding swirls. Just ask anyone who's picked up a car from a body shop and was totally impressed with the finish, only to wash the car a couple of times and reveal some pretty serious holograms. Those did NOT come about from a couple of washes, but what did happen was that the glaze/pure polish was washed off and the holograms from the body shop buffing were revealed. The body shop would not have applied a wax/sealant because the paint still needed to out gas and breathe, and they don't usually want waxes/sealants in a body shop environment anyway.

[CieraSL]

Re: Why other companies promote a sealer/glaze before wax?

In that case, could you use #20 Polymer Sealant or #21 Synthetic Sealant and then top it with Nxt 2.0?

So is this a good idea, bad idea, a matter of personal preference, whether you want durability or shine or a combination of both, or what?