Megs Swirl X

[JLTSX07]

Hello all,

I just ordered some Swirl X, but after reading the description, I'm wondering how it actually removes swirl marks if it's "non-abrasive"? Does it actually remove swirl marks, or will it just fill them in? I'm going to apply it with a soft buff 1.0 W8006 pad, and then follow up with NXT 2.0 on a W9006 pad. Does that sound good? I guess I just want to make sure that the Swirl X will actually eliminate the swirl marks, and not just fill them in.

Thanks!

[Murr1525]

Re: Megs Swirl X

Can it remove them, yes. Will it... have to try and find out. It is not the strongest swirl removal product, but not super mild either.

What Meguiars means by non abbrasive is that the product will not replace big swirls with finer ones. As sand paper and old fashioned compounds work, they replace the bigger swirls with smaller ones. A Meguiars product will leave a close to perfect finish behind.

[JLTSX07]

Re: Megs Swirl X

So, would I be better off using something like Ultimate Compound? I guess my biggest fear is totally screwing up my paint by using something like that. If I were to use the Ultimate Compound, could I apply it with a W8006 pad, and which speed setting would I want to use?

Lastly, will using Megs Ultimate Compound leave a haze after using it?

[Murr1525]

Re: Megs Swirl X

Ultiamte Compound is a very strong product to just jump straight to. It would make sense to try something like SwirlX, #80, #205, etc before jumping to a strong product.

Besides, you will want the milder products in the future anyway for regular cleanings.

Will this be your first time using the machine?

[Mikejl]

Re: Megs Swirl X

Your choice to try SwirlX first is a good one. Applying it with an 8006 pad in another good choice. Depending on how bad your swirls are you should be able to remove all but the worst. Use Ultimate Compound for those and if UC leaves a little hazing go back over the areas with SwirlX and your finish should be LSP ready.

Non Abrasive means that it won't scratch your paint. The Super Micro Abrasive Technology (SMAT) will remove paint and leave a nice finish behind.

Mike

[akimel]

Re: Megs Swirl X

What Mat said. Begin with the SwirlX on a test spot and then inspect. Did it achieve the level of correction you are hoping for? If yes, then use the Swirl X on the rest of the car, following the directions. If no, then step up to Ultimate Compound, but be sure to do a test spot first. You want to get your technique right before buffing out the entire car. If UC should leave behind any micro-marring, and often it does not, then you will want to follow-up with SwirlX. Then lay on two coats of your preferred wax.

In other words, plan to spend the entire day with your car and be sure to have several polishing pads (at least 4 to 6) on hand. You don't want to mix polishes on the same pad.

If you haven't read it yet, be sure to read through Dave KG's Guide to Dual Action Polishing.

[Mike Phillips]

Re: Megs Swirl X

I guess I just want to make sure that the Swirl X will actually eliminate the swirl marks, and not just fill them in.

Thanks!

All Meguiar's compounds, paint cleaners and cleaner/polishes are formulated to remove defects, not just fill them in. (Just to note).

Meguiar's teaches the philosophy of,

"Use the least aggressive product to get the job done"


So here's the deal, you won't know if the least aggressive product will get the job done until you go out into your garage and test it out on your car's paint and then inspect the results of the test section as compared to the surrounding paint.

How effective any product designed to remove defects will be affected by 3 thing,s

Paint hardness
Depth of the defects
Your skills and abilities to work a product by hand or machine.

We can't control any of the above three factors but our compounds, paint cleaners and cleaner/polishes are designed to remove defects, this means they are designed to remove paint.

How effective they are is dependent on the above 3 factors.


If you find your first choice of product isn't working effectively enough or fast enough then you can switch to a more aggressive product.

SwirlX and Ultimate Compound are such fantastic products if you're a do-it-yourselfers when it comes to taking care of your cars then it's actually a great idea to have both of these products in your tool arsenal and this will allow you to have at least 2 products designed to remove defects in your garage to test with and then use according to the one that is doing the best job.

Remember, the reason for using the least aggressive product to get the job done is because by doing this you will remove the defects while leaving the most amount of paint on you car to last you over the service life or the car.

[Mike Phillips]

Re: Megs Swirl X

For reference,


Aggressiveness Order for New Consumer Products - This will surprise you!

Since we introduced these 3 new swirl and scratch removers in our Consumer Line and our new M205 Ultra Finishing Polish in our Professional line, many people have asked how aggressive these new products are as compared to some of our existing products that our forum members are already familiar with to help them understand the cleaning and/or abrading ability of these new products I've listed them in order of most aggressive to least aggressive reading from left to right.

(Apologies ahead of time if you have to horizontal scroll)

Most aggressive to least aggressive -->




That would be from most to least aggressive,

• M105 Ultra Cut Compound
• Ultimate Compound
• ScratchX 2.0
• SwirlX
• M83 Dual Action Cleaner Polish
• M205 Ultra Finishing Polish - M80 Speed Glaze (Different types of abrasives but close in cut ability)
• ScratchX (Current Version being discontinued)

NOTE: M205 is specifically formulated and intended to be used with a rotary buffer on fresh paint after the initial cut is made using M105 Ultra Cut Compound. When M105 is used correctly, they may only be some fine swirls left in the paint and this is what M205 is designed to remove. This is our new M105/M205 Tag Team primarily targeted at body shops where technicians are sanding and buffing fresh paint. Of course we know the detailing industry as well as the enthusiast segment of the car hobby will also use these products so we just want to set the record straight as to what these two products are intended to do and who they are primarily target towards.

After seeing these products in this order some of you will want to know how some of these products can be more aggressive than our M83 DACP and yet still finish out like a fine finishing polish and the answer lies with our new super micro abrasive technology.

Please remember that this is a relative comparison assuming all other factors are the same, for example if all products were applied with the same machine, same speed setting, same downward pressure, same buffing cycle, (length of time product is buffed), same paint panel, same temperature, etc.

Product aggressiveness is just one factor that will affect how aggressive your defect removal process will be as all the above listed factors can and will change the aggressiveness of any product and thus your results.

The next question someone is going to ask is where our other Pro products like M95, M86, M85, M84, M01, M02, M04, M80, M82, M09, M66, D151 will fit into the order of aggressiveness and we're not going post a scale like that because it's just too much like comparing apples to oranges.

While some of you reading this understand Meguiar's has been primarily a supplier to the body shop industry since 1901 and we didn't start making car wax and car wash type product for "enthusiasts/car owners" until starting in 1973, many people that discover our forum don't know this and have know knowledge of the different needs a body shop will have for a product to work on paint sprayed within a day or two versus what Joe Consumer wants and needs to work on his factory baked-on paint in his garage.

The above scale should be more than enough to help you understand the abilities of these products but at the end of the day the best thing to do is to wait till these products become available and then start using them yourself and dial in your own product recipe for the car's you're working on and maintaining.