Using Dish Washing Soap...

[02zx9r]

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I understand that claying removes the pre-existing layer of wax right?

It is my understanding that claying does NOT remove the pre-existing layer of wax.

[Blueline]

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[quote=02zx9r;281479]

I understand that claying removes the pre-existing layer of wax right? quote]

It is my understanding that claying does NOT remove the pre-existing layer of wax.

It is my understanding that claying DOES remove the pre-existing layer of wax.

Over to you, Mike.

[akimel]

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Nice tennis match.

I think point, set, and match go to Blueline, unless perhaps one is using the ultra-fine claybar from Sonus.

[JamieR]

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Here's another thread I found on just that question. Basically claying and using a paint cleaner will remove all wax.

http://meguiarsonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24142&highlight=claying+removes+wax

Jamie

[Mike Phillips]

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With the amount of salt used on the roads up here, getting your car undercoated with an oil spray is a must. I have had 2 cars literally rust out from under me,

Does anyone in the government take this kind of damage into consideration? New cars are a huge investment; glad I've never lived where damage like this is the accepted norm with no recourse.

The problem with doing this is over spray. It gets everywhere and is pretty thick stuff.

Any recommendations on getting this stuff off? They say it removes with dish soap, but I'd rather not do that to my car if I don't have to.

For this kind of thing, if dish soap work then use it as out of your available options it's fast, inexpensive and effective.

My Dad has a 2000 silver Buick and has only ever used whatever dish soap Mom had under the sink. It still shines like crazy. Maybe waxed once or twice in 9 years. Mine you he doesn't drive much, and the car never sits out in the sun. He is amazed and somewhat amused at the way I take care of my car.
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Is is swirl free? Not that it needs to be but the audience that is attracted to Meguiar's tend and trend to be people that want more than surface shine. Keeping it out of the sun when using dish washing detergent can only be a plus over long periods of time. To each their own...

It is my understanding that claying does NOT remove the pre-existing layer of wax.

Claying removes anything off the surface, this includes most of the wax. Paint looks flat and smooth but under a microscope there's all kinds of microscopic imperfections and if wax is deposited into these below surface imperfections then it could be claying won't remove all of this wax but anything that the clay touches it's going to remove.

[JamieR]

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Does anyone in the government take this kind of damage into consideration? New cars are a huge investment; glad I've never lived where damage like this is the accepted norm with no recourse.

They have been salting up here for so long, that most drivers are unsure how to drive on a snow covered road (which is pretty sad as we get A LOT of snow). It's chaos on those days, guaranteed I'll see a few cars in the ditch on my way to work, and my drive is only 30 K (18 miles). I think there would be huge outcry if the city decided to stop/reduce the use of salt, although I'd very much like it. I'm one of the few that prefers snow covered roads to the clean ones.

There are a number of gimmicks out there to prevent the damage, but this seems to be the most effective, but also the messiest. Thanks for the insight!

Jamie

[Mike Phillips]

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Salting roads is kind of like car insurance... a necessary evil...

[3Fitty]

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I think Toronto is moving away from salt and towards sand as a better environmental alternative. This is not an outright stoppage in the use of salt on roads, but a decrease.

[02zx9r]

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[quote=Blueline;281493]

It is my understanding that claying DOES remove the pre-existing layer of wax.

Over to you, Mike.

Nice tennis match.

I think point, set, and match go to Blueline, unless perhaps one is using the ultra-fine claybar from Sonus.

Wasnt trying to get into a pissing match or tennis match, just what I have read from other forums.

well I appreciate the correction. See, that is why I do not visit any other detailing forums since I found this one. So much more correct information and people willing to help each other learn and progress.

[TXShine]

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I would have thought there would be a lot anti-icing agents used up in the great white north. There is even some 100% organic agents around these days. Maybe it's not so cost effective for some places?

I'm sure glad I don't have to deal with that stuff on the roads or on my car.

[JamieR]

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Yeah, they've tried alternatives over the years, but always return to salt for one of two reasons. Either it becomes ineffective at a certain temperature (it gets really cold up here, -22 to -40 degrees Fahrenheit) or it costs too much compared to salt, although with what we pay in taxes, our roads should be heated...

[Mike Phillips]

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although with what we pay in taxes, our roads should be heated...

Laughed so hard when I read this...




About spit my coffee out all over my keyboard!

[Bert31]

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Yeah, they've tried alternatives over the years, but always return to salt for one of two reasons. Either it becomes ineffective at a certain temperature (it gets really cold up here, -22 to -40 degrees Fahrenheit) or it costs too much compared to salt, although with what we pay in taxes, our roads should be heated...

I sympathize for you guys, Canadians do pay some crazy high taxes. My California friends gripe about their tax rates but admit it is better than up in Canada.

[3Fitty]

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I sympathize for you guys, Canadians do pay some crazy high taxes. My California friends gripe about their tax rates but admit it is better than up in Canada.

Well, this will take this thread WAY off topic but I beg to differ on this one...

I just moved back to Canada from the US, having lived and worked there for the last 12 years and I think it depends wher you live in the US + you should also consider what you get for your taxes.

Let me explain...

When I was living in NYC, I was subect to federal income tax, state income tax and city income tax. Putting them together, I was paying about 40% of my income in taxes. I did get some large deductions, not available to Canadians (like mortgage interest), but overall I was still paying around 40%.

In Canada, I would be paying about 45.2% for the same income. So yes, on its face I would be paying 5.2% more in Canada, however there are a lot of "extras" my tax dollars bring me in Canada (like Universal Healthcare and subsidized higher education).

Once I moved to NJ, I save on NYC income tax, but my property tax was $17,000/yr. For a similar home in Toronto, the property tax would be about $5,500. There are also a myriad of other variables which makes the comparison impossible (like the Canadian GST and petrol taxes). My personal feeling with regards to taxes has always been no how much I pay, but what I get for what I pay.

LSP's are the perfect analogy. I don't think anyone minds paying more for a LSP that does more, looks better and protects better, what we despise is paying a premium for something when it is no better than a less expensive product.