30 days wait to wax after fresh paint job?????

[mis3]

Re: 30 days wait to wax after fresh paint job?????

When I painted my car, I waited 60 days to get wax it. I just washed it often.
I would not use even spray wax.

[gabe]

Re: 30 days wait to wax after fresh paint job?????

The paint is black

[gabe]

Re: 30 days wait to wax after fresh paint job?????

Hey there, I'm doing a science fair project on whether polymer sealants really protect paint or not (yes I know that they do). I have some pieces of sheet metal that I primed, painted with automotive paint (in a spray can), and applied a clear coat (also automotive in a can). All the painting and stuff was done outside. I know that you should never do that but renting a paint booth, buying a spray gun, and high quality primer, paint, and clear coat, is not in my budget. I did prep the surface before priming though. There are obviously imperfections on the finish, but no fish eye or huge problems. I don't have a lot of time to do this (aprox. 2 months) so I am speeding up the industrial fallout process. I have to apply the wax very soon. Today I applied the clear coat at around 3:15. The paint is perfectly even and fine except for the minimal imperfections I mentioned before. I know that paint needs to cure for 30-90 days. I am apply the wax by hand so I would imagine that it's not as bad by hand as compared to with a rotary buffer especially because you need experience with a rotary buffer. By the way, I am using Turtle wax's Super Hard Shell

[akimel]

Re: 30 days wait to wax after fresh paint job?????

the Worst case scenario of the of the paint blistering and coming of the car scares me.

I put NXT 2.0 on the car and I'm trying to wash the car as much as possible to get some of the LSP off.

I did use M80 and NXT 2.0 on top of that. It took the swirls away. I put NXT 2.0 two weeks after I got the car from the body shop.

What I'm concerned about is, since I did put NXT 2.0, will Orange Peel happen????? or this that only during the spray gun painting procedure at the body shop?????

Why didn't you believe everyone here when they told you not to apply a wax or sealant for a minimum of 30-90 days?

In any case, you can remove the coat of NXT you applied by applying a paint cleaner. You already have M80, so you can use that. Deep Crystal 1 would also work. (Correct me, folks, if I'm wrong.) Remove the LSP and give the new paint sufficient time to cure and out-gas. As Mike has explained, you can work on removing the swirls with M80 and M83 and you can hide the swirls by applying a glaze or pure polish, like Deep Crystal Polish or M07--#7 looks great! It won't last too long, but you can always apply more coats.

Good luck.

Al

[Mike Phillips]

Re: 30 days wait to wax after fresh paint job?????

the Worst case scenario of the of the paint blistering and coming of the car scares me.

This is the "possibility", thus the paint manufactures recommendation to wait for at least 30 days before applying any kind of product that would act to seal the surface. Personally I've never seen it happen to an automotive paint so don't worry as worrying won't do you any good anyway.

I put NXT 2.0 on the car and I'm trying to wash the car as much as possible to get some of the LSP off.

If you're not careful in how you wash the car you will instill swirls and scratches.

The best way to remove any type of wax or paint sealant is to simply rub the paint down with a light cleaner/polish like M09 Swirl Remover 2.0 or you could use the M80 you already own.

After you rub your car's finish down with the M80 take a break, back away from the car. Leave the paint alone until after the 30 days have passed and then polish and wax it.

[Mike Phillips]

Re: 30 days wait to wax after fresh paint job?????

What I'm concerned about is, since I did put NXT 2.0, will Orange Peel happen????? or this that only during the spray gun painting procedure at the body shop?????

Applying a wax will not cause orange peel, orange peel is the result of the spraying process.

Don't forget to check out the replies to your other questions in your other threads...

http://meguiarsonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28736

http://meguiarsonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28728

[Nuclear]

Re: 30 days wait to wax after fresh paint job?????

the Worst case scenario of the of the paint blistering and coming of the car scares me.

I put NXT 2.0 on the car and I'm trying to wash the car as much as possible to get some of the LSP off.

I did use M80 and NXT 2.0 on top of that. It took the swirls away. I put NXT 2.0 two weeks after I got the car from the body shop.

What I'm concerned about is, since I did put NXT 2.0, will Orange Peel happen????? or this that only during the spray gun painting procedure at the body shop?????

I read on this forum about "dyeBack" or "DieBacking", its about paint underneath the clearcoat becoming bland and not flat/ not shiney.....???? will NXT 2.0 after two weeks after a repaint do this to my paint?

[CharlesW]

Re: 30 days wait to wax after fresh paint job?????

the car is daily driven (everyday for 60 miles total both ways), and I have three more weeks until my 30days are up. what is the worst possible that can happen if I do use NXT 2.0 on my fresh paint?

Worst case scenario, the paint will blister and come off your car.

Will the normal eye (person) tell the difference????????? significant in the long run??????

Yes.

One of the best in the business has given you some very good advice. It truly is in your best interest to take it.

M80 contains a fresh-paint safe protective polymer, that's about as good as it gets until you hit the 30 day mark. Just do your best to take care of your car until then.

If your goal is to take advantage of the protective polymer in the M80 then you wouldn't apply anything after the M80 until after the 30 days are up.

[Nuclear]

Re: 30 days wait to wax after fresh paint job?????

the car is daily driven (everyday for 60 miles total both ways), and I have three more weeks until my 30days are up. what is the worst possible that can happen if I do use NXT 2.0 on my fresh paint? Will the normal eye (person) tell the difference????????? significant in the long run??????

[Mike Phillips]

Re: 30 days wait to wax after fresh paint job?????

I will

1. Clay - Only if necessary
2. M80

You only clay if you feel little bumps on the paint. Other than that you would use M80 to remove the swirls the body shop instilled.

If your goal is to take advantage of the protective polymer in the M80 then you wouldn't apply anything after the M80 until after the 30 days are up.

You wouldn't use the spray wax as that is a product that seals paint.

How many days do you have to go till you reach the 30 day mark?

How is the car being used daily?

[Nuclear]

Re: 30 days wait to wax after fresh paint job?????

ok thanks for the reply Mike P.

one last question, since I still have to wait the 30 days, I will

1. Clay
2. M80
3. M83
4. M7
5. LSP?

I know I cannot use NXT 2.0 as my LSP (last step product)
but can I use a NXT Spray Wax which is "lighter" meaning wont
seal as much?

[Mike Phillips]

Re: 30 days wait to wax after fresh paint job?????

anyone?

You posted these on Sunday and while we understand the Internet is 24 hours a day, 7 days a week we have to take a day off and recharge our batteries and here in the United States of America Saturdays and Sundays are our traditional days off work unless we're teaching a class on Saturday like this last Saturday but then we can't answer questions because we're teaching class.

Pickups Limited at Meguiar's Garage November 15th, 2008






We have many forum members that do hang out on Saturdays and Sundays and help with answering questions but it's usually their day off too...

now my questions,
is it ok to use M83 since its more abrasive than M80? not a sealant right?

Yes but we teach people to use the least aggressive product to get the job done because that will leave the most amount of paint on the car.

If they body shop that painted your car swirled it out, then in the process of swirling it out they removed some of the precious paint or film-build you just paid them to spray onto your car.

Now when you remove the swirls you'll remove more of the precious film-build, (paint), off of your car that you just paid them to spray on.

So you want to approach this following the common sense philosophy Meguiar's has been teaching since our inception in 1901

Besides that, M80 is an easier product to use as compared to M83, it's a wetter, oilier product and offers a longer/easier buffing cycle or what we sometimes call play-time.

Completely understand your predicament, if you read enough of the forum you'll see your problem is a common problem and we've typed up answers like this hundreds of times in an effort to help our forum members to undo the damage done to their paint.

In a perfect world you would start with M80 and cross your fingers it gets the job done, if it doesn't then you would try M83

Make sense?

also, since I wont be using my LSP (NXT 2.0), may I use something rather lighter wax such is NXT Spray Wax??????
what can i use as a Last step that wont seal my paint pores so that it can cure within' the 30 days that I'm waiting.

M80 contains a fresh-paint safe protective polymer, that's about as good as it gets until you hit the 30 day mark. Just do your best to take care of your car until then.

If you haven't read this yet, please take a moment to read through it before turning on your polisher, the mistakes listed here really are very common and easy to correct so you get great results the first time and every time you machine clean and polish your car's paint.


Tips & Techniques for using the G110, G100, G220 and the PC Dual Action Polisher

[Nuclear]

Re: 30 days wait to wax after fresh paint job?????

anyone?

[Nuclear]

Re: 30 days wait to wax after fresh paint job?????

I've just been reading on this forum, sooo helpful!

from what I've read,
CLAY
M80
M7

The above three are not paint sealants, thus it will allow more gases to exhale from the fresh paint to cure.
I will use these three up above for my detailing.

now my questions,
is it ok to use M83 since its more abrave than M80? not a sealant right?


also, since I wont be using my LSP (NXT 2.0), may I use something rather lighter wax such is NXT Spray Wax??????
what can i use as a Last step that wont seal my paint pores so that it can cure within' the 30 days that I'm waiting.

[Nuclear]

Re: 30 days wait to wax after fresh paint job?????

Hello, Since I can't use ColorX and NXT 2.0 on my freshly painted car, Can I do my full Detail using in order,

1. Clay
2. M83
3. M80
4. M7


so I'm skipping the Last Step Product (LSP) here, is this a ok process.

and then I'll just wait the 30day paint curing process, after the 30 days, I'll apply LSP (NXT 2.0).

The reason I want to Clay, 83, 80, M7 is b/c I hate the swirls/holograms that the body shop left on my car
and this process I believe is the best way to take out the swirls/holograms by myself.......