Cleaner/Polishes

[Murr1525]

So are the new Consumer Line products (ScratchX, SwirlX, Ultra Compund) and #105 cleaners only, and the Finishing Polish is a cleaner/polish?

Thanks.

Edit: And is DC1 still around?

Mat

[Mike Phillips]

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So are the new Consumer Line products (ScratchX, SwirlX, Ultra Compound) and #105 cleaners only, and the Finishing Polish is a cleaner/polish?

These products all finish out so nicely that the work like the way in which most people are familiar with how a cleaner/polish works, that is they remove the defects and then finish out to a clear, high gloss finish.

The really good news is in most cases, at least in each case I've used these products, to date I've never experienced the hazing or micro-marring problems that you'll sometimes with our cleaner/polishes when used with a DA Polisher.

Now that's good news and BIG news.

The M105/M205 Twins are going to decimate the competition.

(You can quote me on this)

[Mike Phillips]

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And is DC1 still around?

DC1 is still around, but with the introduction of these new scratch and swirl mark removers it's likely going to be discontinued and if you notice, the labels on DC Polish and Carnauba no longer have the "Step" labeling on them.

[Murr1525]

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I noticed...

Sounds like they must have some oils in them then, as far as keeping older paints from drying out?

[Jeepster04]

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Wow, if DC1 is going away Ill have to stock up! One bottle does me a long time so 3-4 bottles should last me many years.

[Murr1525]

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Why stock up? Get the new and better stuff....

[Nappers]

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Wow, if DC1 is going away Ill have to stock up! One bottle does me a long time so 3-4 bottles should last me many years.

Why stock up? Get the new and better stuff....

Just some things we all like and can't part with

I really liked the heavy duty carpet/upholstery cleaner and APC/APC+ work just as well or better, I liked it though and stocked up and down to my last bottle. I do use APC though.

[Mike Phillips]

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I noticed...

Sounds like they must have some oils in them then, as far as keeping older paints from drying out?

Don't now about that, will have to check. M105 and M205 were purposefully developed without out any fillers or any ingredient some of the uniformed on those other forums would try to position as a filler. The results you see are the the real deal. Remember, Jason Rose who is in charge of the development of our Professional Line works closely with R&D and is a perfectionist by nature and has a long history as a professional detailer as do many of our Pro employees, they know what's what and they know what's posted on other forums and they definitely know how to walk the talk.

Mike Pennington, Jeff Brown and others working behind the scenes here at Meguiar's were also involved with these new products and all of these people have forgotten more than most of us including myself will ever know.

Let's let our development team have their fun at SEMA and NACE and when they get back next week they'll be available for the deep questions... for right now I can only do my best with the information I have and any first hand experience gained from using and testing a few of these new products.

[Murr1525]

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Thanks Mike.

Have to work on some more deep thoughts for when they get back....

[Mike Phillips]

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I noticed...

Sounds like they must have some oils in them then, as far as keeping older paints from drying out?

When it comes to restoring antique, original single stage paints, our new products will definitely cut better than M80, in fact I buffed out an oxidized single stage paint with M105 on a wool pad with a rotary buffer on Sunday and after the M105 step it looked like new paint.

I did however use the M80 for a second step process with my DA because I wanted to introduce the polishing oils in this product to the freshly opened up paint.

Sealed with M21 and stuck a fork in it because it's done.

Don't think you'll see products like M80 or #7 or #3 or even M81 go way anytime soon and these products are all very rich in Meguiar's polishing oils that work so well to bring out the full richness of color in older single stage paints.

If I ever here a product like M80 is going to be axed I'll post this right away because my favorite thing to do is to restore antique single stage paints on classic and special interest cars and because this is my go-to product for paints like these I would be the first to stock up.

[akimel]

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The really good news is in most cases, at least in each case I've used these products, to date I've never experienced the hazing or micro-marring problems that you'll sometimes with our cleaner/polishes when used with a DA Polisher.

Mike, after reading all through all of the articles on the new products, the following question has been raised in my own mind: As you know, I am just learning how to use the G110. I've only used it on one car (it died the second time, and I received the replacement last week). Given that I stand at the beginning of the learning curve, would it be best for me to switch to the new consumer products, especially since the new products are so good at not producing micro-marring? It sounds like that the SwirlX-ScratchX-UC line might effectively "replace" the M80-M83 combo, at least for news like myself. (My car, btw, is a black Honda.)

TIA.

Al

[yalerd]

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So since they are not cleaner/polishes but they finish like them and would it be more advisable to use a pure polish?

I know that products like M03, M07 have big differences on single stage paint, on clear coats too but not that noticeable like single stage but since these new products are out and are not formulated like M80 or M83 (that are rich in oils) would it be more recommended to use a pure polish?

I ask because M80 has many oils and sometimes I don't see the difference between M80/Wax and M80/M03 -or- M07/Wax

[OhioCarBuff]

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I've seen a definate difference on modern clear coat finishes when adding the extra step of a pure polish like 7 or m81, dosen't the clear coat finishes benefit from the oils too? I've seen them dry out

[yalerd]

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I've seen a definate difference on modern clear coat finishes when adding the extra step of a pure polish like 7 or m81, dosen't the clear coat finishes benefit from the oils too? I've seen them dry out

Yes, they benefit from it, always

Sometimes the car is in good shape maybe you can tackle it just by using M80 and because this product is rich in oils then sometimes (for me) I don't see the difference between between M80/wax -or- M80 followed by a pure polish and then wax.

I asked this because suppose that you don't have M80, and tackle a car just by using M205 (you remove all of the defects) would it be very very noticeable to use a pure polish with this product since M205 is not rich in oils like M80

[Mike Phillips]

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Given that I stand at the beginning of the learning curve, would it be best for me to switch to the new consumer products, especially since the new products are so good at not producing micro-marring?

It sounds like that the SwirlX-ScratchX-UC line might effectively "replace" the M80-M83 combo, at least for news like myself. (My car, btw, is a black Honda.)

TIA.

Al

In a word, "yes". One of the ideas behind the introduction of these 2 new products, Ultimate Compound and SwirlX and changing ScratchX to our new super micro abrasive technology is to get the products people need into retail distribution through Hard Parts stores as we understand that the average enthusiasts doesn't know what a PBE store is or how to find one, (unless they've been reading this forum).

Our goal and is to give you products that help you reach your goals and make it easier for you to locate them in your local stores.

The Bigger Picture
With the introduction of UC, ScratchX and SwirlX, the majority of people working on their car themselves should be able to remove any defects in their car's paint that can safely be removed. Ultimate Compound is very effective, anyone reading this is not going to understand how powerful that statement is until they try it themselves so until then you just have to trust me on this one. The point being that if UC doesn't remove the defect, then sure you can always switch to products in our Professional Line with a rotary buffer but that just means you're working on something that's probably pretty deep to start with and may not be safe to remove anyways.

As for finishing without any hazing or micro-marring, that's a true bonus but keep in mind there are lots of paint systems on the market and I've seen pants that are so soft that just looking at them scratched them, so as usual you'll always want to do a test spot first.

So since they are not cleaner/polishes but they finish like them and would it be more advisable to use a pure polish?

I know that products like M03, M07 have big differences on single stage paint, on clear coats too but not that noticeable like single stage but since these new products are out and are not formulated like M80 or M83 (that are rich in oils) would it be more recommended to use a pure polish?

I ask because M80 has many oils and sometimes I don't see the difference between M80/Wax and M80/M03 -or- M07/Wax

I don't have enough information on the chemical make-up of these new products to post definitive answers and as I've already posted elsewhere, lets allow our Meguiar's team to do their job at SEMA/NACE and when they get back we can get more detailed information within our proprietary guidelines.

What's more important is to focus on the results, not the ingredients, Meguiar's hasn't been letting people down over a 100 years and you can trust our chemist know what needs to be in a product to enable do the job not only right the first time but give you best in class results as has been our tradition. Remember, more people that win Best of Class and Best of Show at the Pebble Beach Concours D'Elegance since records have been kept, we're not going to start making products that won't continue that tradition in 2009

I've seen a definite difference on modern clear coat finishes when adding the extra step of a pure polish like 7 or M81, doesn't the clear coat finishes benefit from the oils too? I've seen them dry out

Not so much when the paint is brand new factory baked on paint because if you think about it paint like this should be perfect already as it is Brand New.

As any paint gets older and suffers wear-and-tear, then yes applying a pure polish can benefit the paint by restoring clarity which enables your eyes to see through it to the color coat underneath.

We have to speak or write very precisely on this topic because there's always a certain element of online enthusiasts that are misinformed and spread misinformation for whatever their nefarious purposes may be.