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  • #16
    Re: Corvette Detailing Instructions

    Little story...

    Had a recent Saturday class where a guy brought his brand new black Jaguar and the dealership included DISO in the deal, Dealer Installed Swirl Option.

    The paint had swirls from a rotary buffer, they were light but you could see them in bright sunlight. We used his car to demonstrate how to remove swirl by hand or machine.

    After we were done, half the hood was swirl free and the other half still had the DISO. I asked the owner if he wanted me to fix the other half of the hood before he left and he said, "no", I plan on doing the entire car myself since attending this class and learning how to remove swirls.

    I said "okay", but went ahead and applied a coat of NXT Tech Wax to the other half of the hood so it would be protected until he was ready tackle the car.

    After applying the wax and then letting it dry and wiping the residue off, he backed his Jaguar out of the garage and we inspected the hood.

    All the swirls were gone.

    The owner asked me, "Instead of doing all the swirl removal work, can I just maintain the paint with NXT?"

    I said "yes".


    Point being, NXT will eliminate or mask fine swirls, (as in very shallow swirls), and that was good enough for this Jaguar owner. He wants his Jag to look great but doesn't want to make detailing a black car his new full time hobby.


    Many of the people hanging out on a detailing discussion forum are into their cars and into detailing as a hobby and are willing to do as many steps as necessary to create a show car finish.

    Some people however don't want their hobby to be detailing but they do want a great looking finish. So for some people NXT Tech Wax is a good option. Will the results last forever? No. If you want your Corvette to look like you just waxed it and it's been a while since the last coat of wax then wax it again.

    Cars don't stay looking good forever by themselves, if this were the case then all cars would look great all the time but a walk through any store parking lot will show you this isn't' true.

    You have to 'do something' once in a while to maintain a nice looking finish and finding a quality wax and using int on a regular basis will go a long way to keeping a car's finish looking show room new.

    Mike Phillips
    760-515-0444
    showcargarage@gmail.com

    "Find something you like and use it often"

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    • #17
      Re: Corvette Detailing Instructions

      If you are a perfectionist then the only way you will be happy is by doing it yourself. I find there are very few people you can trust that are diligent enough to keep their equipment clean and do a proper job. This is the truth. I'll be the first to admit that I would more likely do a better job on my car then a friends. Only cause I know how picky I am and I think they aren't that picky.

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      • #18
        Re: Corvette Detailing Instructions

        Well... a note of caution: Nothing is as it seems on the videos! You don't put it on and it comes off like butter... You must work like a donkey.

        It took me 3 hours to do 3 applications of scratchX and a NXT Tech 2.0 Wax on the trunk lid of my car!!! And i lost two pounds doing it!

        This can't be right! It will take me a minimum of 30 non-stop hours to finish the entire car. Trunk lid is hte easiest part.

        There were holograms... They are gone. But i still have scratches even after 3 applications of ScratchX.

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        • #19
          Re: Corvette Detailing Instructions

          Well, holograms were not visible... but a pic of car... will post one after too if i decide to carry on:

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          • #20
            Re: Corvette Detailing Instructions

            Originally posted by CorvetteMan View Post
            Well... a note of caution: Nothing is as it seems on the videos! You don't put it on and it comes off like butter... You must work like a donkey.
            Are you referring to the video on the www.meguiars.com homepage?

            Regardless, "Yes", in order to remove swirls and scratches out of a clear coat finish you have to put some passion behind the pad.

            That's because modern clear coats tend to be very hard as compared to the original paint that came on a 1965 Corvette. This is probably one of the most common discussions we have on this forum and in our classes, that is helping people to understand why it's so frustrating to work on a new car and that's because the paints are physically hard and therefore hard to remove small particles of it in and effort to remove swirls and scratches.

            That would be the fault of the paint manufactures and the car manufactures of which I don't think either of them factor in usability when designing a car.

            M105 would have done the job faster and easier than ScratchX but at least you can now say you've been there and done that with ScratchX.

            I have not buffed out a modern Corvette in the last 10 years that had paint that was easy to work on, in fact for the most part I wouldn't take a job removing swirls out of a Corvette now days, it's just not any fun.

            There's a reason polishers like our G110 has become so popular for the last 15 years and that's because people find the best way to work on their car's clear coat is by machine.

            If you decide to continue detailing your own car maybe looking into moving up to machine cleaning and polishing or maybe look into getting some M105 for hand use.



            p.s.

            Since this thread is really a "how-to" thread I'm going to move it out of Introduce yourself and into Detailing 101
            Mike Phillips
            760-515-0444
            showcargarage@gmail.com

            "Find something you like and use it often"

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            • #21
              Re: Corvette Detailing Instructions

              Originally posted by Mike Phillips View Post
              Are you referring to the video on the www.meguiars.com homepage?
              Yes i am. Not only meguiars, but all the other polishing product videos i have looked into as well.

              It is not a two-second apply-easy, distribute-easy, work-in-easy, buff-out-easy job.

              Looking at all those videos, that was the impression I got. Wax products may be, but paint removers / polishes are definitely not. To remove a minor scratch, i had to work very very hard and only after 3 applications it diminished in size.

              Regardless, "Yes", in order to remove swirls and scratches out of a clear coat finish you have to put some passion behind the pad.
              That is a very vague terminology Mike. I had to do a whole lot more than 'some' passion.

              I have not buffed out a modern Corvette in the last 10 years that had paint that was easy to work on, in fact for the most part I wouldn't take a job removing swirls out of a Corvette now days, it's just not any fun.
              I heartily agree with you. This was more of a torture then fun.

              If you decide to continue detailing your own car maybe looking into moving up to machine cleaning and polishing or maybe look into getting some M105 for hand use.
              M105 not available here. Machines not available. The only one i found was a random orbiter Black and Decker:

              Found at eastwestintl.com/proddetail.asp?pid=2758

              Apparently people do not advise it.

              You all have been helpful. I genuinely thank you all.

              But unfortunately, i have pain on my wrists after just polishing/waxing the trunk lid. This is not something i can pull off by myself. Therefore, i will call this whole project off.
              Last edited by Markus Kleis; Oct 16, 2008, 01:04 PM. Reason: No clickable links under 30 posts

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              • #22
                Re: Corvette Detailing Instructions

                Detailing job by the same company on my friend's Black SUV:

                Door have been cleaned before the picture. Sidesills under the doors are shampoo that wasn't cleaned off and we did not want to mess up the cleaning cloth.



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                • #23
                  Re: Corvette Detailing Instructions

                  I would definitely stop going to this guys. I bet it was easier to look at the car before the detail. Yikes.
                  quality creates its own demand

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                  • #24
                    Re: Corvette Detailing Instructions

                    Yeh ouch.. doesn't look good. I have had my front resprayed and the painter used cutting compound.. when I got it couldnt really see much holograms/buffer trails but then after when I washed my car it was so visible like the first page. So yeh just to confirm there are generally 3 methods of cleaning it up?

                    1. Use M105
                    2. Scratch X
                    3. Paint Cleaner

                    Thanks.

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                    • #25
                      Re: Corvette Detailing Instructions

                      That is absolutely horrible looking.

                      Heck, just an application of our A12 Cleaner/Wax for about $7.00 a bottle that's been out since 1973 would give you better looking results.

                      Mike Phillips
                      760-515-0444
                      showcargarage@gmail.com

                      "Find something you like and use it often"

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                      • #26
                        Re: Corvette Detailing Instructions

                        Hey mike phillips, can you please confirm what i've wrote in post #24? Thank You.

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                        • #27
                          Re: Corvette Detailing Instructions

                          Originally posted by RtN View Post
                          Hey mike phillips, can you please confirm what i've wrote in post #24? Thank You.
                          All these 3 are paint cleaners. M105 being hte most aggressive.

                          Proper procedure would be:

                          1. Clay Bar
                          2. M105 (or ScratchX)
                          3. Pure Polish (Deep Crystal Polish)
                          4. Wax (NXT Tech Wax 2.0)

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                          • #28
                            Re: Corvette Detailing Instructions

                            Front door (smooth surface between glass and bottom half) has been machine polished ($20 rotary machine) with 2 x scratcx, 1 x deep crystal polish, 1 x nxt tech wax 2.0.

                            This took 3 hours!

                            All holograms are gone, but the shine is not much better than the other door:

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                            • #29
                              Re: Corvette Detailing Instructions

                              Originally posted by RtN View Post
                              Yeh ouch.. doesn't look good. I have had my front resprayed and the painter used cutting compound.. when I got it couldnt really see much holograms/buffer trails but then after when I washed my car it was so visible like the first page.

                              So yeh just to confirm there are generally 3 methods of cleaning it up?

                              1. Use M105
                              2. Scratch X
                              3. Paint Cleaner

                              Thanks.
                              Correct. The way you remove swirls or scratches is to remove a little paint, so you need an abrasive product that will remove paint but won't leave swirls and scratches at the same time.

                              This is a sticky in Hot Topics

                              What it means to remove a scratch out of anything...



                              Originally posted by CorvetteMan View Post
                              All these 3 are paint cleaners. M105 being the most aggressive.

                              Proper procedure would be:

                              1. Clay Bar
                              2. M105 (or ScratchX)
                              3. Pure Polish (Deep Crystal Polish)
                              4. Wax (NXT Tech Wax 2.0)
                              This is correct. At this time, M105 is the most effective way to remove swirls and scratches by hand. It's always easier and faster to use a DA Polisher and a machine will aways produce better results than the human hand which is 4 pressure point on a wax applicator pad.

                              Applying a pure polish after the cleaning step is optional, that is you don't have to do it if you don't want to instead you can go straight to wax.

                              The kind of people that are attracted to Meguiar's are usually what Barry calls "Car Crazy" and then tend to want to do as much as they can to maximize their car's appearance so they tend to apply a pure polish after the cleaning step and before the waxing step.


                              Mike Phillips
                              760-515-0444
                              showcargarage@gmail.com

                              "Find something you like and use it often"

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                              • #30
                                Re: Corvette Detailing Instructions

                                Oh okay thanks and my paint is fresh so I can use DC2 right? But no waxes or sealants.

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