Rotory use

[screemingtp]

I like to detail and I like the results with the rotory but the problem is using it. I have used it many times and I overlap the strokes and I don't go to fast with regards with speed. But for some reason I don't get the results that most people get when using the Rotory. I have a Dual action polisher PC and I use it only when the car isn't that bad of shape. But using the Rotory for swirl removal to me seems like I put more swirls rather than removing. What I do; I put about a nickel size amount of product and I spread it on the section that I am going to do then I turn on the machiene. Now under fake light it looks good but under the sun it looks like a hologram. What could I be doing wrong. I am following the directions that I have read and have applied what the veterans do but it doesn't seem to apply to me. Just was wondering if I could get some input on a process. Thanks for taking the time reading this.

[Mike Phillips]

Re: Rotory use

Originally posted by screemingtp
I like to detail and I like the results with the rotory but the problem is using it. I have used it many times and I overlap the strokes and I don't go to fast with regards with speed. But for some reason I don't get the results that most people get when using the Rotory.

I have a Dual action polisher PC and I use it only when the car isn't that bad of shape. But using the Rotory for swirl removal to me seems like I put more swirls rather than removing. What I do; I put about a nickel size amount of product and I spread it on the section that I am going to do then I turn on the machiene. Now under fake light it looks good but under the sun it looks like a hologram. What could I be doing wrong. I am following the directions that I have read and have applied what the veterans do but it doesn't seem to apply to me. Just was wondering if I could get some input on a process. Thanks for taking the time reading this.

Hi screemingtp, welcome to Meguiar's Online!

I noticed this was your first post and a good one at that... let me start with this question, have you watched our how-to video, "How to remove paint defects" ?

This video shows a lot of technique for wet-sanding, and machine polishing paint and is only $9.99 Most PBE stores should have it, or can order it for you and usually have it the next day.

You can also watch it here for free... How To Remove Paint Defects

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A couple of other questions,

1) What type of pad are making your finish passes with?

2) Are you applying any wax after your last machine polishing process?


Mike

[screemingtp]

I am using a pad I bought from a detail shop please don't get mad it's not a megs pad but it is a closed cell pad and it is pretty soft almost looks like an edge pad. And yes I am applying meguiars #26 on the car but the removal of the wax isn't friendly. I am going to do my Grand Prix GTP and it is BLACK. Shame on me I haven't washed it during the winter time and now I have my work cut out for me. But it will make for good practice. The swirls are pretty bad and finding the right combination to doing it is an hard task at that. I know I am going off the subject but that is the main reason for the question. I have seen people remove swirls with just a yellow pad and DACP then topped with #82 I think, and then sealed and waxed. My process just seems to take too long for me. LOL I seem to be all over the place with this question, but this is where I am stuck at right now. Anyways thanks for taking the time reading this.

[Mike Phillips]

Hi screemingtp,

It was good talking with you on the phone, I hope you'll be able to get your hands on our video, it will go a long way as to showing you how to use Meguiar's 80's series products with both the rotary buffer and the dual-action polisher.

Also, after talking with you about your process, I would recommend getting your hands on one of our foam polishing pads because I cannot comment on a pad that I have never used. I’m sure it’s a good pad, but I cannot help you to trouble shoot a paint polishing problem when you’re using a product I have no experience with.

I have used our W-8006 and W-8000 pads for over 15 years and they consistently produce excellent results with our products. One of the reasons I like using Meguiar's is because they offer a "Complete System", with each product designed and formulated to work with one another, and to build off of the results previously achieved using a previous Meguiar's product.


On your black Grand Prix, try this.

First, try nothing but the PC with the W-8006 foam polishing pad and some #83 DACP on about the 5.0 setting. Then wipe off the residue and inspect your results. You might even go ahead and apply the #26 Hi Tech Yellow wax, allow to dry, then remove and then inspect your results to get a true indicator of what the finished work will look like.

Meguiar's aways says,

[b"Use the least aggressive product to get the job done"[/b]

If the above combo isn't aggressive enough to produce the kind of results you want, then you can always get more aggressive and switch to the rotary buffer.

If you choose to use the rotary buffer, then try this,

Rotary buffer, Meguiar’s W-8006 foam polishing pad, #83 DACP at about 1800 rpm. Overlap your passes by 50% and work the product until it appears to have almost dissipated, but you're still leaving behind a wet film of product. Don't buff to a dry buff, but do buff long enough to break the microscopic diminishing abrasives completely down. (This takes experience to know how long to buff and when to stop).

Then, use the PC on the 5.0 setting with a W-8006 foam polishing pad and the #83 DACP and go over the same area. Just like the rotary, you need to work the #83 until it has almost dissipated, but do not buff to a dry buff.

Remove the #83 DACP residue and then apply the #26 Hi Tech Yellow Wax, you can do this by hand, or use a fresh, clean Meguiar's foam pad on the PC, either the W-8006 polishing pad or the W-9006 finishing pad.

Allow the #26 to dry for 10-15 minutes and then remove with a premium quality microfiber polishing cloth.

Now inspect. It should look flawless.

Note: #26 Hi Tech Yellow Wax is a great wax, but If you can, I would recommend trying our new NXT Tech Wax. This new wax works great for taking your finish to its maximum potential, especially on dark and black finishes.

I hope this helps....

Mike

p.s.

I PM you Dan's e-mail

[Reflections]

i just got done looking at the pictures of a black truck with really bad buffer swirls. i know it's bad for real detailers but it helps separate the sorry ones from the real deal. let the customer decide.

[Reflections]

yes, me and my wife followed the whole thread by the hour. what an outstanding job. my wife enjoyed specially since she is the interior pro of my biz. how can I get a sample of NXT Gen wax? I'd like to give it a try on my 85 Rx7.