polish sequence

[miahjohn]

planning on buffing the cadi with da using m80, m09 then apply m21 sealant with da

is this a proper seqeunce and with what pads and da speed should i apply each product?

paint has mostly light scratches with a few deeper scratches.

[Jim Shearer]

Re: polish sequence

I use M80 with the 8006 (or 8207) pad followed by M21 with a 9006 (or 9207) pad. If I have time I like to top it all off with M26 and a 9006 pad. That combination really seems to make the black paint pop.

I use UQD between washes.

[yalerd]

Re: polish sequence

That's the correct process
M80-M09-M21

M80 - Use with Meguiar's Polishing Pad on speed setting 5.0
M09 - Use with Meguiar's Polishing Pad or Finishing Pad on speed setting 5.0 / 3.0 (depends how the it leaves the finish)
M21 - Use with Meguiar's Finishing Pad on speed setting 3.0

The best thing to do to dial the process is to do a test spot, if you can make a small section look good then duplicate this process for the entire vehicle.

[Mike Phillips]

Re: polish sequence

planning on buffing the cadi with da using m80, m09 then apply m21 sealant with da

is this a proper seqeunce and with what pads and da speed should i apply each product?

paint has mostly light scratches with a few deeper scratches.

Sounds about right... the shallow scratches should come out and leave the deeper scratches behind, note the deeper scratches will show up a lot easier to your eyes when the shallow scratches are removed.

Speed Settings and Pads

M80/W-8006/5.0 Speed Setting
M09/W-9006/4.5 to 5.0 Speed Setting
M21/W-9006/3.0 to 4.0 Speed Setting

After working a section with the M80 and M09 wipe the excess residue off, don't let it dry.

After applying the M21 allow it to fully dry before removing.

Most IMPORTANT....

Do a Test Spot first and make sure your products and process of choice, including your own skill and ability can make a small section look good and check in two kinds of light.

If you can make one small section look good you can make the entire car look good, if you can't make a small section look good you won't be able to make the entire car look good and you'll be glad you only worked on a small section first.

If you run into problems, the post them back here and we'll do our best to see you through to success...

[miahjohn]

Re: polish sequence

what would i use to get the deeper scratches out?? M83? and if so woul i keep the sequence the same only adding M83 at the start? what pad works best for M83?

[BigLouie]

Re: polish sequence

I've been planning to do a similar project. My thought process has been to wash/clay/M07/M80/Nxt 2.0.....Is this feasible?

[Jim Shearer]

Re: polish sequence

Big Louie,

Yes, always wash and clay before starting a project like this.

If you want to use M7 then it would be after M80. Some people say they can't tell any difference when using the M7 but I think it deepens dark colors plus it has paint conditioners. Remember to wipe the M7 off before it drys.

NXT 2.0 would be excellent after the M7.

[Mike Phillips]

Re: polish sequence

Removing deeper scratches starts getting more complicated depending upon how deep they are, if they're deeper than what M80 will remove then it could be they''re deeper than an application of M83 will remove also.

Is this a show car or a daily driver? If it's a daily driver you might want to start out just going with the M80 followed by wax and wait till your all done and then inspect the paint and maybe take a picture to show us what's left you want to remove.

It's not a good idea to create a show car finish on a daily driver for most people as you're just going to get more swirls and scratches.

RIDS = Random Isolated Deeper Scratches

If after buffing the paint out with M80 you find RIDS, it can actually be faster to work these out using M105 by hand because you can exert more pressure with a couple of fingers working M105 against just the scratch than to apply M83 with a 6" to 7" foam buffing pad as the machine process will spread your pressure out over a greater area when you're just trying to focus on a very small area.

Make sense?

Deeper scratches are harder to remove and take longer plus you'll have to remove more clear off your car.

[miahjohn]

Re: polish sequence

Yeah that makes sense....I'm pretty sure i will be satisfied without working out the deeper scratches.. a few days ago i applied nxt 2.0 wax by hand and i can bearly see the deep scratches until the car is under a flourecent light. in the sun they seam to dissapear even when the car is in need of a good waxing. it is a daily driver and soon enough ol man winter will be here!! the deeper scratches i speak of seem to be RIDS they are long narrow scratches on the hood and trunk that are scattered here and there. i am guessing from the previous owner using the snow brush on it during winter.

[miahjohn]

Re: polish sequence

mike
i see you suggest to use the 9006 pad for 09 and 21...is that the polishing pad? would it be worth the 14 dollars to buy the finishing pad to apply the sealant?

[Nappers]

Re: polish sequence

mike
i see you suggest to use the 9006 pad for 09 and 21...is that the polishing pad? would it be worth the 14 dollars to buy the finishing pad to apply the sealant?

It's better to use a 9 series pad to apply wax/sealent. The 8 series pad to use cleaner/polish or downgrade to the 9 series if that's too aggressive.

Always do a test spot and get your process dialed in, you may find that the M09 will get everything out.....never know.

ADS has six pack specials on pads, most order 4 8 series and 2 9 series (the new machine washable are the 7207/8207/9207). the new pads are about 60 bucks and the 7006/8006/9006 pads are around 50 bucks.

[miahjohn]

Re: polish sequence

actually i had it backwards....would there be any benifet applying 09 with polishing pad?

[Nappers]

Re: polish sequence

If the paint is sensitive and you see marring from M80, sure it would further get that paint to it's best. I used M83 on my Neon and finished with a polishing pad (8 series) with M09 and it worked fine, I didn't try it with the 9 series pad (not enough pads at the time) but it would be fine, M09 is a mild cleaner/polish. I don't read a lot of people doing it, but real sensitive paint may require a lesser aggressive approach.

Best thing to do is a test spot. You may find that M80/8 series followed by M09/8 or 9 series pad???? Or, just M80 with 8 series pad and go to wax. Get it dialed and go for it.

[piloto117]

Re: polish sequence

I'm also in the middle of working something similar (for the first time)...but kinda got a little bit confused by the following statement:

It's not a good idea to create a show car finish on a daily driver for most people as you're just going to get more swirls and scratches.

Could you please elaborate your comment a little bit more, Mike?

Also, is it possible to work M80 on a second pass with a finishing pad instead of a polishing pad on a DA to get a smoother finish instead of using another polish?

[Mike Phillips]

Re: polish sequence

actually i had it backwards....would there be any benefit applying 09 with polishing pad?

The rule of thumb is to use the least aggressive product to get the job done, that includes your choice of chemical as well as you choice of application material.

Whenever I write application material that could mean the thing you're using by hand or on a machine, think about it... either way however you're working, by hand or machine, you have some kind of material coming into contact with the paint.

This could be a foam or microfiber hand wax applicator pad or a wool cutting pad on a rotary buffer, (wool is a type of 'application material'), or your choice of foam pads for a DA Polisher.

If you remove all the defects using a cleaner/polish like M80 and a polishing pad like our W-8006 our our W8207 and you no longer have defects to remove, then why not move onto a more gentle chemical and a gentle foam pad, (application material), like our W-9006 or our W-9207

The idea that polishing paint is an art form and each process must be performed with the idea of taking the results to a higher level, step-by-step.

You certainly wouldn't remove the defects with a polishing pad and then switch to a cutting pad to apply the wax, that could potentially dull the results created by the polishing step. The idea of moving to a more gentle finishing pad for either your final light cleaner/polish, (M09 is a very light cleaner/polish), or your choice of wax is keeping with the idea of doing everything you can do in your power to reach your goal.

Make sense?