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    Hiya, I'm a first time newbie detailer who decided to give good care to my black week old '08 MB C350. I've read some good recommendations on Meguiar's products so I went out and pretty much bought everything that said Meguiar on it. So here's what I'm working with:



    Plus Meguiar Supreme Shrine Microfibers X 4, Meguiar Applicator Pad, Meguiar Microfiber Wash Mitt X 2.

    First day - My newbie *** washed in 95 degree temperature, 80% humidity in direct sunlight. Also, I washed the entire car without rinsing off each panel with my hose so when I finished drying and began prepping to polish, my car showed many water spots that looked like:



    Disgrunted I was ****ing up brand up new paint, I called it quits for the day.

    Second day: I woke up feeling a little better and decided to give it another shot. I rewashed the car again but this time, I rinsed off each panel after washing to prevent water spots. However, these spots reappeared after I had dried. This time, I took a little more bold approach and grabbed Scratch X. Scratch X did only half the job. It removed only the inner area but left a stubborn outer ring that looked similar to:



    Frustrated, I've tried claying this time using the QD but had poor results. Although I sprayed the lube everywhere as instructed and glided the clay to little to no pressure, the clay started smearing its white residue, forming with the lube and leaving nasty white marks (I believe this is called marring?). I went back inside looking for a solution and found on this forum somewhere that vinegar worked for this deficiency however I was still skeptical. Out of desperation nonetheless, I gave it a try and viola, it worked like magic. I grabbed some white vinger out the kitchen dabbed it onto a microfiber towel and that's all she wrote. The water spots in direct sunlight seemed to come off with ease but the side of the car in the shade with water spots did not come out with vinegar treatment. So that left me to wonder, whether the heat acts as an agent along with vinegar in breaking down mineral compounds on the paint surface.

    Now that I waxed after polishing with Scratch X (took a long time BTW), the car looked new again however when I closely examined the paint (meaning that I tilted my head closest to the paint surface as possible), I saw these ultra fine scratches. As a new car enthusiast and perfectionist, this was just unacceptable for a car that's been only one week old so I went out and bought Deep Crystal Paint Cleaner and Polish (#1,2).

    So my question is to all you pros reading this: Since the car has already been waxed, do I need to strip the wax in order to clean the paint and polish with DC #1,2 or can I just polish over the wax I put on yesterday?

    As of now, this is my method order. Please let me know if there's anything wrong with it.

    -Wash/Dry (GC car wash)
    -Clean Paint (DC #1)
    -Polish Paint (DC #2)
    -Wax (GC liquid wax)

    Another thing I'm wondering is whether I should invest in a Dual Action Porter Cable 7424 which I keep reading about over and over (Costs like $120)? While I was at Advance Auto today, they had something like a rotary orbital which was $20. Since it was so cheap, I've neglected to buy it. Despite it's cheap factor, does this rotary orbital have any usefulness??

    I would really appreciate any help. Thanks.

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    Re: Please can you help me??

    I'm certainly no pro, but I can tell you this much. Since you've got the bug and a new, black vehicle, you won't regret buying the dual-action polisher. While you're at it, get some #80 (and polishing pads). These PC 7424 machines are much different than the cheap orbitals. The dual-action is the perfect tool for what you're trying to do. You'll need the backing plate, pads and some bonnets (for wax removal). The Lake Country pad sets come with cutting (orange), polishing (white) and finishing (gray) pads. The orange pads are good for backing a bonnet for wax removal, but generally not recommended for DA polishing. Meguairs pads are (7006, 8006 (yellow) and 9006 (gray) for cutting, polishing and finishing, respectively. I'd get two backing plates so when one fails you're not dead in the water.

    I believe the DC 1 will remove the wax.

    If you're using the Smooth Surface Clay Kit there is no danger of maring your finish as long as you keep it lubricated. You only want to wet and clay about 2 square-feet at a time. You can do a coule of sections like that before wiping with the micro fiber towel, but don't mist the QD any further in advance than that. I suspect you're leaving clay behind, not marring. It should wipe off with QD and a micro fiber.

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      Re: Please can you help me??

      Originally posted by akuma84 View Post
      So my question is to all you pros reading this: Since the car has already been waxed, do I need to strip the wax in order to clean the paint and polish with DC #1,2 or can I just polish over the wax I put on yesterday?
      If a paint cleaner is strong enough to remove a defect in the paint, that means it's strong enough to remove a little paint, then its' going to remove any wax layer on top of the paint.

      Originally posted by akuma84 View Post

      Another thing I'm wondering is whether I should invest in a Dual Action Porter Cable 7424 which I keep reading about over and over (Costs like $120)? While I was at Advance Auto today, they had something like a rotary orbital which was $20. Since it was so cheap, I've neglected to buy it. Despite it's cheap factor, does this rotary orbital have any usefulness??

      I have to work on the newsletter all day so I can't type out lengthy answers so here's the nutshell versions...

      Don't buy a Porter Cable unit if you want to remove defects in the paint, spend the few extra bucks and get our G110 as it has much more power and will DRAMATICALLY reduce the amount of TIME you'll invest in running the polisher over the paint trying to remove defects.

      I've typed this type of answer up multiple times on the forum for people looking at both the PC and the G110 maybe someone can post a link to those replies.

      As for the cheapie buffers, if all you want to do is spread out a coat of wax they will work for this, if you want to remove defects in the paint this means you want to remove a little paint and they just don't have the power for doing this.

      Read this to understand what you want to do with your water spots and never leave standing water on paint again.

      What it means to remove a scratch out of anything...

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