Some Questions about M80 and the G110

[3Fitty]

I recently purchased the G110 and if nothing else, now I really LOOK like I know what I'm doing when I'm working on my cars! I had some questions about #80 and my DA polisher.

My cars are white (IS350) and a silver (CR-V). Both cars are in very good shape (IS is 2 months old, CR-V is 18 months). I don't have a really good garage for detailing so 98% of everything I do is in the driveway.

Having said all that, neither of my cars has swirls or scratches to the naked eye. To be clear... I'm not saying they are "scratch free" or "swirl free" but on account of their colors and because I don't have the proper lighting, you really can't see if they do or don't. Which brings me to my question...

I used #80 on the CR-V on speed setting 4 (after washing and claying) but to be honest, I couldn't SEE a difference, maybe I was doing something, maybe I wasn't, but without the proper tools I couldnt tell. Is there a chance I am doing more harm than good?

I mean, without visual proof of swirl removal, I don't know if I'm doing good, but frankly, as long as I'm not doing harm, I'm happy.

I used brand new pads (8006) and my work area was clean and free of conataminents which could cause swirling or scratching. Also, if I'm not using #80 to remove swirls, can I just use it as a "cleaner" like the DC paint cleaner?

Do I work an area until it is dry, followed by a wipe with a MF towel?

[yalerd]

Re: Some Questions about M80 and the G110

I don't have the proper lighting

This is why you are not seeing the difference if there is. With proper light you can always see what you are doing, now, since you are working outside (in the shade) you should have a fair amount of good lighting, the sun provides good light for you to see what you are doing, of course not the same as having a halogen light right next to the panel you are working but in my opinion is good, but thinking again, you have two colors that don't show enough.
Maybe you need to train your eye better, the more work you do the more you'll see stuff and know

I mean, without visual proof of swirl removal

Maybe because of bad lighting you are not seeing swirls been removed but don't you see a more glossy finish? #80 has nice oils

Also, if I'm not using #80 to remove swirls, can I just use it as a "cleaner" like the DC paint cleaner?

You can use something a little less aggressive like #82 Swirl Free Polish or M09 Swirl Remover, in M09 you can find most of the oils that are found in M07 Show Car Glaze

Do I work an area until it is dry, followed by a wipe with a MF towel?

Never dry buff, you will spread the product in the initial pass and then start to work the product but never until a dry buff, you could remove the product when you see a transparent oil residue

I know some will chime in and help out, hope this helps though

[Tim Lingor]

Re: Some Questions about M80 and the G110

Morning,

After detailing for a while, you will develop an eye for detailing various paints and will see swirls quite easily, even in silver. I would suggest that you buy a dual halogen light on a stand. That will help you to see the swirls and therefore the improvements you have made through polishing!

A couple of suggestions: when working M80, increase the G-110 up to speed 5; Work the product until it is a light residue, but do not buff dry as dry buffing can put marring back into the finish. Use a quality MF towel to wipe off the M80 residue, then inspect using the halogens. You will have to find the spot where the light hits the paint. When done correctly, you will see what is really on the paint! If satisfied, top with 2 coats of NXT 2.0 or M21 2.0.

In the future if the paint is swirl free to your satisfaction, then yes, using a mild cleaner like M82, M09 etc can clean the surface prepping it for the wax/sealant.

With the proper products and techniques, you can make silver look awesome!







And here is a thread where I was working on a light beige metallic car where you can see the halogens showing the swirls...and the final removal of them.

http://meguiarsonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23614

I hope this helps!

Tim

[Tim Lingor]

Re: Some Questions about M80 and the G110

Geeez Francis...you beat me to it! I really need to learn how to type faster!!!

Tm

[BlueZero]

Re: Some Questions about M80 and the G110

After detailing for a while, you will develop and eye and will see swirls quite easily, even in silver.

And not just on cars! Then it becomes a sickness!

Yesterday at lunch I was noticing how badly the tables at the restaurant where swirled. I was wondering if they would let me come in with my buffer.

[3Fitty]

Re: Some Questions about M80 and the G110

Maybe you need to train your eye better, the more work you do the more you'll see stuff and know

I think this is exactly right. I'll look more carefully in the future.

Maybe because of bad lighting you are not seeing swirls been removed but don't you see a more glossy finish? #80 has nice oils

I don't know that I did. Because I use #7 after #80, I may (again) not have looked at it carefully enough. Maybe it is just because I KNOW #7 will really shine it up that I wasn't too concerned about the 80 and shine.

You can use something a little less aggressive like #82 Swirl Free Polish or M09 Swirl Remover, in M09 you can find most of the oils that are found in M07 Show Car Glaze

Okay, so I guess that means "NO" to #80 as a cleaner?

Never dry buff, you will spread the product in the initial pass and then start to work the product but never until a dry buff, you could remove the product when you see a transparent oil residue

Perfect, thanks.

Tim,

Thanks for the response.

[yalerd]

Re: Some Questions about M80 and the G110

Geeez Francis...you beat me to it! I really need to learn how to type faster!!!

Tm

Common, you had pictures!

[yalerd]

Re: Some Questions about M80 and the G110

I think this is exactly right. I'll look more carefully in the future

I know you'll do. Look better and pay more attention to what you are doing, in the future you'll see that looking you'll observe defects easier

[J. A. Michaels]

Re: Some Questions about M80 and the G110

At Lowes this weekend they have a halogen light on a portable stand. Its 19.99. This would probably help you out.