whats the difference

[rhino1834]

What's the difference between a polymer sealant and a synthetic? Also what is nxt 2.0. polymer or synthetic? What do you prefer?

[rhino1834]

Re: whats the difference

And what is gold class wax a polymer or a synthetic.



thanks
ryan

[Derrick]

Re: whats the difference

A synthetic sealant is polymer based therefore a polymer sealant is synthetic if that makes sense. GC is a carnauba synthetic blend. I just wanted to add that my response is just from what i understand. I am in no way a chemist so i could not be 100% sure. This is the only info i could find on the subject
The word "polymer" literally means a large molecule attached to a small molecule. In simplest terms, a "polymer" refers to any compound that is synthetic. Therefore, a product that has polymers in it means that it is synthetic-based.
One last thing, i prefer NXT 2.0, it is a very good wax and i love the deep wet look it leaves

[Mike Phillips]

Re: whats the difference

Actually, polymer is kind of a catch-all term, it means many monomers, there are man-made polymers and natural polymers, your skin for example is a polymer.

Gold Class is a "Blended Wax", that is it is a blend of multiple types of ingredients and when it comes to the protection ingredients it contains both natural protection ingredients and man-made protection ingredients.

What really matters at the end of the day is how you like the product and this includes how it applies, how it dries, how it wipes off and how it looks in your eyes on your car's paint system.

[Derrick]

Re: whats the difference

Just a question while we are on the subject. I read about the natural and synthetic polymers but wouldn't the polymers that are used in car waxes be synthetic rather than the natural polymers? I'm just curious because i started reading on the subject when i saw the question and that is what i got out of it. I mean of course i could be wrong and they may use natural polymers but the saying
( The word "polymer" literally means a large molecule attached to a small molecule. In simplest terms, a "polymer" refers to any compound that is synthetic. Therefore, a product that has polymers in it means that it is synthetic-based. )
That was supposed to be refering to car wax polymers. Ok well just thought i would ask
Ok i know that some carnuaba waxes also contain sythetic polymers to help reinforce natural defense and promote maximum bonding to the paint. This would be refering to something like GC right? I would think if any product used natural polymers it would be a carnuaba wax. OK well i guess i am just trying to get more info on the subject but at the same time i know it will get into the chemist not giving up any info

[Mike Phillips]

Re: whats the difference

Just a question while we are on the subject. I read about the natural and synthetic polymers but wouldn't the polymers that are used in car waxes be synthetic rather than the natural polymers?

Don't know.

Gold Class contains some Carnauba wax and that's a natural ingredient, is it also a polymer? I don't know as I'm not a chemist. Also don't really care as knowing the chemical make-up of an ingredient or a product formula will never actually effect whether I like the product or use it.

What matters is the performance of the product.

Been typing on the Internet since 1994, (documented), and since then I've seen a lot of discussions on the ingredients of a product, actually seen a lot of arguments on the ingredients of a product and at the end of the day no matter what is said and who wins or loses the arguments, you're either going to use a product or you're not, so all the talk about the ingredients kind of falls by the wayside.

All wax companies keep their ingredients as proprietary knowledge. It's understandable that people want to know what's in a product and how it works, but it's very unlikely you'll ever see any company share that kind of information whether it's car wax or Mighty Putty.

And this is just another example of why I have the Signature Line I have and why I've had it for so long, it ends the arguments and brings the conversation back to the real world of people going out into their garage and using a product on their car. And that's hopefully where the end-result of many of the threads on this forum and other forums ends... people taking the product they're curious about and actually using it in the real world, not discussing it to death in the Cyberworld.

Make sense?

Love the discussions and keep in mind I'm a car guy too and just as curious as anyone else on what's inside a product and how it works, but that information is proprietary and even if I knew it, (and I don't), I couldn't post about it anyways.

That's why in the big picture, the focus should be placed on the performance of a product and not the formula.

[Derrick]

Re: whats the difference

Yes i know and i fully agree with everything you wrote Mike and i apologize for heading things in that direction. I also go by your signature line as well and that's another reason i recommended NXT 2.0 to rhino1834. I love the way that product goes on and off and also love the deep wet shine it leaves. Personally i don't really care whats in the products or if its carnauba/ synthetic, or made of pinto beans ( don't ask why i put that, its just the first thing that came to mind ) because like you said it just comes down to the performance and using it in the real world. At the same time i am also trying to better my own self and overall knowledge and learn about everything there is to know about detailing including the products so one day i might hope to be as knowledgeable as someone like you. Not only that, i also pride myself on knowing alot about detailing and helping my customers and hate to use the common phrase " I don't know". So while i know there are proprietary boundaries and i do respect them and understand them i still like to ask questions just to get as much out of it as i can because you know what they say. It never hurts to ask
rhino1834 sorry to get a little off track there but i think overall hopefully we answered your questions

[Don]

Re: whats the difference

The word polymer is used to describe the base ingredients of a susbstance. If you break down the word poly-mer you will find it's meaning and the source of the confusion. Poly= Many and Mer= Units. So polymer = 'many units' (a long-chain molecule). Many units of what? A pure carnuaba wax would be a carnuaba polymer - many units of carnuaba. A wax containing silicone could be a silicone polymer - many units of silicone. Mike used your skin as an example, that would be Dermis polymer or "many units of skin cells." Water is a polymer, so is air, as is everything else, so you can see how general and nearly meaningless the word is. "Contains synthetic polymers" simply means that it contains a laboratory-produced substance with a long-chain molecule as opposed to a naturally-occuring substance with a long-chain molecule.

I like Mike's definition of "blended" = contains both natural and man-made ("polymers").

[tguil]

Re: whats the difference

That's why in the big picture, the focus should be placed on the performance of a product and not the formula.

I agree! All of this technical stuff is giving me a headache.

Tom

[Mike Phillips]

Re: whats the difference

I agree! All of this technical stuff is giving me a headache.

Tom

It's more fun to do some research, (as best as you can, that's why this forum and others like it exist), make your choice and then go out into your garage and get busy...

[rhino1834]

Re: whats the difference

So what your saying as long as it looks good then use it.