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  • A little help needed (Long)

    Intro
    I am working a 95 Subaru Legacy wagon with OEM BC/CC paint, which is dry, grippy , has mild car wash scratching (swirls) and mild to medium oxidation. The Legacy does not show signs of being cared for other than an occasional wash. The problems, I am experiencing are difficulty removing/ buffing MPPC (always has been tough to remove, but does the job well), claying (before MPPC, after MPPC, after DACP) using Quik Detailer and using DACP (which is gumming up slightly). All the products mentioned previously performed as after each the paint showed signs of improving. After using DACP the paint became easier to work with, which I think is most of the oxidation was removed, as was some bonded contaminants.

    Process
    1. Wash with D21
    2. Clean with MPPC (M9716) with M8006.
    Difficult to remove as always, but worked as always.
    3. Clay CM Blue
    Difficult, stopped, as clay did not budge no matter the amount of Quik Detailer used. Essentially the clay stuck to the paint and left a clay streak.
    4. DACP (M8332)
    Applied using PC with a brand new CMA/LC Yellow cutting pad. The new CMA/LC yellow cutting pad does have less cutting power when compared to older CMA/LC Yellow cutting pads circa spring 2002.
    5. Clay
    See comments for clay above.
    6. 3M PI-III MG
    CMA/LC Orange and PC on a quarter of the hood
    7. Speed Glaze #80
    CMA/LC Orange on a quarter of the hood
    8. Menzerna Final polish
    Applied m8006 and PC
    9. ColorX
    Applied using M9006 and PC
    10. GC
    CMA/LC Finish pad because may bottle of NXT went AWOL.

    Questions/Comments
    I am unable to find the post from Mike Philips posted (which was possibly on show car garage or art of polish) regarding the use of #7 before working older paint. What is Mike's process for using #7? Further, I was wondering if this would work in my situation and if #81 could be substituted?

    Could body scrub, scratch X, DC step #1 be used as a substitute for MPPC in my process? Are any of the previously mentioned priducts easier to remove/buff?

    Has anyone experienced this before? Any advice or things to try would be helpful.

    I am expecting delivery of a rotary in the coming week. What should I try using the rotary?

    I plan on forgoing the clay this time and clay during my next detail. Claying will happen if I find something which will make the clay bar glide over the paint.

    On the half of hood, which I experimented on looked good, but good is not good enough. I would like the paint to look better, but for this car an improvement is a good thing. I am not expecting a miracle, as my magic wand is broking. Would have done more, but I ran out of time.

    I plan on testing various wax and sealant combos on the roof. For the combos I am testing more for appearance and slightly for durability. Further I am going to put many layers on over the next couple of months to prepare for the winter. Once I am done with my car, then come two car and three motorcycles (waxed for winter storage).

    Would have used more Meg's pads, but someone was lazy and in a hurry to clean up the last time and did not wash them.

    Pictures
    Pictures so everyone know what the surface looks like. The white spots are chips or dust. Once the car is complete I will post before and after pictures.
    Picture #1 is after steps 1-5.


    Picture #2 after all steps.


    Eric
    Talk it over folks. Communication is the key.

    --Jerry Springer

  • #2
    Re: A little help needed (Long)

    Originally posted by Teak
    Questions/Comments
    I am unable to find the post from Mike Philips posted (which was possibly on show car garage or art of polish) regarding the use of #7 before working older paint. What is Mike's process for using #7? Further, I was wondering if this would work in my situation and if #81 could be substituted?


    Eric
    It's on Autopia, I started re-writing it and I think it's almost finished if not finished. I'll see if I can find it and place it in the forum,

    Articles of Interest

    Mike
    Mike Phillips
    760-515-0444
    showcargarage@gmail.com

    "Find something you like and use it often"

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    • #3
      Is this what you were looking for or talking about?

      Meguiar's #7, by Mike Phillips

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      • #4
        Originally posted by magnus
        Is this what you were looking for or talking about?

        Meguiar's #7, by Mike Phillips
        Ah shucks... I was hoping to avoid the above article. I wrote that back in 1993 or 1994 and it's full of spelling mistakes as well as it's general flow is awkward and cumbersome. Looks like I'll finish the new version and replace it right away.

        Mike
        Mike Phillips
        760-515-0444
        showcargarage@gmail.com

        "Find something you like and use it often"

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        • #5
          #80 is good enough that it can substitute for MPPC and also provide a polishing step too.

          #83 is very good with a rotary, but that should be done before #80 if you are going to do it.

          RamAirV1
          2015 Dodge Charger R/T Scat Pack 392Granite Crystal
          2006 GTO Impulse Blue

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          • #6
            Sorry about that. Thought I was helping. I found it very insightful and gave me enough confidence to go ahead and use #7 on my Volvo. Before reading through this article, I had read several posts on MOL of people saying they had difficulty using it. As I had just purchased it, I thought that I might have made a mistake. After reading your Autopia article, I was no longer worried.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by magnus
              Sorry about that. Thought I was helping. I found it very insightful and gave me enough confidence to go ahead and use #7 on my Volvo. Before reading through this article, I had read several posts on MOL of people saying they had difficulty using it. As I had just purchased it, I thought that I might have made a mistake. After reading your Autopia article, I was no longer worried.

              No worries, none at all...

              That article was written back when I was posting to the Usenet- Newsgroups on the fly with no spell check. It's long overdue for a re-write. I'm glad it helped you and your car looks awesome!



              Mike
              Mike Phillips
              760-515-0444
              showcargarage@gmail.com

              "Find something you like and use it often"

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              • #8
                Hey Teak,

                I have been in your spot when a paint just does not want to react or was really difficult to work with. Keep trying, you will get it!!!

                Tim
                Tim Lingor's Product Reviews

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                • #9
                  Rewrite on #7

                  Mike,

                  Checked Articles of Interest this date, 2-07, didn't see a rewrite of your old article re application/removal of #7. Is this still in the works?

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