Holograms? From a G100?

[navyblue2000]

This past weekend I did a detail on my car, used #83 on a W8006 via G100, followed with gold class by hand.

I noticed today I had some holograms, or what looked like it. Is this a product of not working the product in enough? Working it in too much?

After reading up some on rotary buffer techniques (I don't fancy myself an expert but I'm always willing to learn), I used some #66 on some areas that had holograms. Presto, they're gone and it looks magical!

I never thought I'd ever use a rotary to remove a hologram, but perhaps my terminology is off?

[PorscheGuy997]

Re: Holograms? From a G100?

Due to the action of the PC, it's hard to create holograms. However, there is a possibility of micro marring, especially with #83.

Some paints are harder than others or the paint just doesn't respond well. In either case, marring may occur.

#66 or ColorX are great solutions to micro marring.

[Mike Phillips]

Re: Holograms? From a G100?

What kind of pad were you using?

[Hemin8r]

Re: Holograms? From a G100?

Due to the action of the PC, it's hard to create holograms. However, there is a possibility of micro marring, especially with #83.

Some paints are harder than others or the paint just doesn't respond well. In either case, marring may occur.

#66 or ColorX are great solutions to micro marring.

[Mike Phillips]

Re: Holograms? From a G100?

Chris is probably right, what you're seeing is hazing or micro-marring.

Rotary buffer swirls or holograms also called buffer trails, look like this, not the distinct patterns...

[navyblue2000]

Re: Holograms? From a G100?

What kind of pad were you using?

I used the 8006 for both applications. I have tinkered a little with the rotary in the past, but really payed attention to Mike Pennington's technique...It's amazing the difference that it makes compared to a G100!!

What are the chances that what I'm doing is underworking the product with the G100? I've read that you should go 2 inches per second, 50% overlap. Go vertically to one end and back, and then horizontally the same. Placing an X on the pad before beginning. That's worked in the past. Maybe I'm still working too fast.

[Andy M.]

Re: Holograms? From a G100?

You could follow up with #80 if you have some to remove any of the micro-marring from the #83.

Andy
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[Mike Phillips]

Re: Holograms? From a G100?

Don't know about the 2 inches per second recommendation, we've never timed ourselves, we just work from what we know gained from experience. (Sorry)


What you want to do is work the product long enough to break the diminishing abrasives down but no so long you go to a dry buff.

Other factors that can cause hazing would be applying too much pressure, hard to do with a Porter Cable unit as the motor/clutch will bog down and the pad will stop rotating, with our new G110 it offers quite a bit more power and doesn't really bog down.

I could be this product just won't work well on your paint system, you can try a less aggressive product like the M82 or M09 or a cleaner/wax like ColorX or M66 for your finishing work.

You could also try changing to a softer pad for the M83, like the W-9006.

If you can, find a different car with a different paint system and do a little test doing the same thing to this other car as you did to the current car you're working on and see if you get the same results.

Hope that helps...

[navyblue2000]

Re: Holograms? From a G100?

Setting 5 over the hood again today, with the G100. Worked a little quicker, didn't want to work too slow. Still worked the product pretty thoroughly. Wouldn't you know it happened again

The only reason I did it was because i wanted to get rid of the ever so-slight holograms that are apparently inherent to a rotary. But it's starting to upset me. Maybe I'll make a video of my technique for critique.

[navyblue2000]

Re: Holograms? From a G100?

I could be this product just won't work well on your paint system, you can try a less aggressive product like the M82 or M09 or a cleaner/wax like ColorX or M66 for your finishing work.

See my above post about 66 last night with the G100

You could also try changing to a softer pad for the M83, like the W-9006.

Hadn't thought of that, will give this a try

If you can, find a different car with a different paint system and do a little test doing the same thing to this other car as you did to the current car you're working on and see if you get the same results.

I've done a few different cars with this combination and haven't noticed a problem. But then again those cars don't sit in my driveway. I have another detail this weekend, I'll snap pics

Thanks for the advice Mike. As far as messageboards go, this is no doubt the most positive and helpful place I've EVER been to. I've always desired to continuously improve on my car detailing ability (even if it never becomes a career, side jobs are nice!!), and it wouldn't have been possible if it weren't for MOL and folks like Mike!