Black paint. Haze? Or lack of CC?

[SL1CK]

I have a friend who owns a black Mustang GT. Recently, he wanted me to take a look at a certain on his car. When I looked at it in the sun, it was swirled like crazy. He doesn't really know what happened there though because I think he bought it like that. It looks like someone thought they knew what they were doing, took a rotary, and hazed it probably with some harsh pad/compound. Can't really tell what it is so I was hoping someone could help.

I took a pad to it with some 80 and my pad turned black. So could it be missing CC? He said he had touch up paint applied on it, but VERY VERY little, maybe about as much as a rock chip.

Is it possible someone scoured it to where the clear coat is missing and paint is exposed? Would swirls/hazing be as readily noticeable on a car with no clearcoat than on a car with clearcoat?

What do you guys think it might be?

[PorscheGuy997]

Re: Black paint. Haze? Or lack of CC?

What year is the Mustang?

Here are some possibilities:

-Repainted some time ago with a single stage.
-Clear coat is in fact gone.
-Black overspray - I did a test spot on a black car before claying and the pad turned blue. Did you clay the vehicle?


Sure, it is possible that somebody polished the vehicle so many times that the clear is actually gone. However, it would be really visible because the paint would be dull and generally look like crud.

Without knowing the history of the car, it's kinda hard to pinpoint the problem.

Good Luck!

[roushstage2]

Re: Black paint. Haze? Or lack of CC?

What year is it? It could have been repainted or have overspray...

[SL1CK]

Re: Black paint. Haze? Or lack of CC?

It's a 2000.

PorscheGuy997, the paint does look like crud in the area, REALLY dull. I'll upload pics in a bit.

[SL1CK]

Re: Black paint. Haze? Or lack of CC?



See the area along the top part of the door, starting near the back rear panel? It goes up until the end of the passenger side door.

Looks like someone hazed it to heck with a rotary. Maybe even a wool pad. Black paint came off on my pad.

[PorscheGuy997]

Re: Black paint. Haze? Or lack of CC?

I am far from a Mustang expert, but the paint looks much flatter than the one I detailed.

Maybe someone blocked the car flat and completely burned through the clear.

Does the owner have a Carfax or history report? A body shop might have repainted it with single stage.

[SL1CK]

Re: Black paint. Haze? Or lack of CC?

What do you mean "flat"?

You mean not as shiny as the one you detailed was?

But yeah, the area near the passenger front door looks bad/hazed.

[Jeepster04]

Re: Black paint. Haze? Or lack of CC?

I do not believe the paint would look as good as it does(within reason) if it didnt have any CC. Its got to be SS if the pad turned black.

Did the #80 remove any of the swirls?

[Tom Weed]

Re: Black paint. Haze? Or lack of CC?

I can't tell by looking at that picture if the paint is dull or hazed, it does look like it has swirls. If you do more test sections with 80 on different areas, does the pad turn black still or is it just that one area? Make sure you do areas where there is no touch up paint.

Seems a little odd that a mustang that old with OEM paint would be SS, unless as previously metioned it had been re-painted. Do you have access too or know anyone who has a paint thickness gauge?

[Tim Lingor]

Re: Black paint. Haze? Or lack of CC?

Hey,

I agree with Tom, something does not seem right. Even if it was repainted, I doubt they would have used single stage paint. It seems more likely the black you are getting is like Chris mentioned, from black over-spray on the surface. From the picture, the paint is swirled badly and that tends to give black a gray tint to it.

Do a test spot in a different area and see what happens. Try claying the spot first, then polish it and see if you are pulling black on the pad after claying. See if it acts the same as the area where you pulled black paint.

Tim

[Mike Phillips]

Re: Black paint. Haze? Or lack of CC?

Test an area that away from this bad panel, like the door or fender on the other side, see if you pull color from these panels. Try to establish that in fact the car has a clear coat finish over the rest of the car.

If someone has removed all the clear in this dull area, then that's why the paint looks dull, it's because it's the clear layer that gives the color coat its gloss and shine.

Need a better picture to really see what's going on, the one with the sun on it doesn't really show the problem.

When the clear is buffed off the color coat you should see flat looking paint, as in dull looking paint, and you should be able to see an edge around the dull area where the clear layer starts again.

If a shop did this they will need to own up to it and have the area repainted. Could have been a honest mistake on a car that old but they should have pointed it out when the customer picked it up.

"Always use the least aggressive product to get the job done"

Maybe share our forum with the detailers at this shop?

[roushstage2]

Re: Black paint. Haze? Or lack of CC?

The paint seems to be very badly swirled. I see what may be CC failure (there are whitish highlights on the tops of panels)? What kind of soap and material has the car been washed with?

As for the touch up paint, what application did he use? Paint pen or aerosol? I would take a piece of clay and see if there is overspray on the panel.

Owning a SS paint vehicle, I tend to notice that I do not really notice swirls/scratches as much as on my BC/CC car. I know that car did not come with SS paint from the factory, and I would think that any repair would be done in factory style BC/CC paint; if it is an insurance repair anyways. As far as a BC/CC system without the clear, the paint would look satin black and the clear would most likely be flaking off around it (my GF's black Bronco has CC failure all over the hood and roof and this is exactly what it looks like). All of that paint looks glossy still, but very badly swirled. M80 would take care of the dulling problem on a SS paint car. I have noticed on my car that M83 needs to be used to get rid of the swirls, especially if they were heavy like that.

I would try some clay, then M83 followed by M07 and see where it is at.

[yalerd]

Re: Black paint. Haze? Or lack of CC?

"Always use the least aggressive product to get the job done"

That's one of the biggest problem, people think that going extra aggressive is the way, this quote should be in a Meguiar's commercial

[SL1CK]

Re: Black paint. Haze? Or lack of CC?

Sorry for the late response guys, been a bit busy.

First of all, it is a BC/CC paint job. I know this because the other parts of the car did not pull any paint AT ALL, perfectly fine like a car with CC. I can't remember what the clay pulled off (this was back in February), but when I polished it, black paint came off on my 8006.

Therefore, its not SS, it is BC/CC, just that area is really messed up!

Oh and roush, those are clouds haha!

[roushstage2]

Re: Black paint. Haze? Or lack of CC?

I know!

I was talking more about here: