Swirls are back : (

[benhui86]

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that sounds like even more skills and labor than repainting the whole car from primer up.... because they would have to be so careful to not sand through the color coat and also make sure all the old clear coat is gone....sounds like hard to get a perfect finish...

but if you can get a good deal on it and have some kind of warrenty i guess you can do that.... but i'd rather have the whole car repainted primer up..... honda paint isnt exactly known for their durability either seeing that theres a significant amount of late model hondas with clear coat failure..... so you might as well replace it all to do a more complete job and less chance of imperfection....

i still think keeping it and detailing it to its maximum potential is the best choice.... and the amount of paint taken off by DA with the proper cleaners will only take out enough to get rid of swirls without putting the paint in danger.....

[pampos]

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and the funny thing i find about your paint job plan is that if you do apply that self healing paint to your car..... the paint will be cost more than what the car is worth.... and you wont really need it once you find out how to properly detail your car to the point where you dont get swirls no more.....

i think you should not consider a new paint job if you are just going to paint it the same color because it is bad for your wallet.... the new paint might be just as hard to detail in another way....you are running away from learning more about how to detail more challenging paint....

I planing just to apply only the clear coat,not repainting the car.They will wetsand the coat
and apply a fresh one.

[benhui86]

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and the funny thing i find about your paint job plan is that if you do apply that self healing paint to your car..... the paint will be cost more than what the car is worth.... and you wont really need it once you find out how to properly detail your car to the point where you dont get swirls no more.....

i think you should not consider a new paint job if you are just going to paint it the same color because it is bad for your wallet.... the new paint might be just as hard to detail in another way....you are running away from learning more about how to detail more challenging paint....

[pampos]

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theres a time limit? hahahha they didnt mention that on the nissan site.... i was reading about that..... i was thinking would that self healing ability be affected by cleaner/polish/wax.....

It is not affected i think,just the durability of this ability is 3 years.After then it just loosing this ability and it transformed in a usual clear coat.

[benhui86]

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theres a time limit? hahahha they didnt mention that on the nissan site.... i was reading about that..... i was thinking would that self healing ability be affected by cleaner/polish/wax.....

[pampos]

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this is why i will never want a black car.... it will make me go crazy.....

anyways.... i am thinking it is the fillers in watever you are using for cleaner that was hiding stubborn swirls.....

to hid them.... just use any polish or cleaner wax will be very effective...especially color X..... put another coat of wax on top if you are using polish so that it wont wear off as fast....

I agree with you but the black is great.I am thinking of get it to a professional to apply fresh and harder clear coat.I am also thinking of using the new self-repaired clear coat the Nissan develop but it will cost to me about $4000 and i don't have that money at the moment .They said that for 3 years can be self repaired and will need polish after the 3 years are gone.

[benhui86]

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this is why i will never want a black car.... it will make me go crazy.....

anyways.... i am thinking it is the fillers in watever you are using for cleaner that was hiding stubborn swirls.....

to hid them.... just use any polish or cleaner wax will be very effective...especially color X..... put another coat of wax on top if you are using polish so that it wont wear off as fast....

[pampos]

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I am far from being an expert here, but I must agree with this comment. I work by hand on a car with a few swirls. When I polish and wax the car looks great but I know I have not removed the swirls... only masked them temporarily.

Did you work by hand or by machine when you originally thought you had gotten rid of them? I greatly suspect, if working by hand and only using polish and wax, that you did not remove ANY swirling.

Removing them and masking them are two different things... though they may look the same initially.

As for how to remove them permanently.... someone more experienced than me will have to chime in. I just polish and wax by hand and mask my small imperfections temporarily.

I removed them by DA polisher and i didn't use something with fillers to hide them.After polishing i applied a sealant (i think sealants have no fillers also).

[pampos]

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I'd take a real hard look at your wash method and the towels you use on the car. If you remove most all swirls, then they come back, odds are you're inducing more.

So... what do you do?

I always rinse the car with pressure water twice.I am using the 2 bucket method,Meguiars Gold Class shampoo(always plenty of it) and a lampswool wash mitt(rinse it before starting and before put it again in the shampoo for the next part , i rinse the car without pressure to avoid the water spots and i am using a Blue Pearl microfiber towel for drying.

[Tillmanator]

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theres also a posibility that you did not remove all the swirls the last time you detailed but they were filled in with the polish and wax but after you wash the car the fillers are gone and the swirls are visible again.....

I am far from being an expert here, but I must agree with this comment. I work by hand on a car with a few swirls. When I polish and wax the car looks great but I know I have not removed the swirls... only masked them temporarily.

Did you work by hand or by machine when you originally thought you had gotten rid of them? I greatly suspect, if working by hand and only using polish and wax, that you did not remove ANY swirling.

Removing them and masking them are two different things... though they may look the same initially.

As for how to remove them permanently.... someone more experienced than me will have to chime in. I just polish and wax by hand and mask my small imperfections temporarily.

[benhui86]

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theres also a posibility that you did not remove all the swirls the last time you detailed but they were filled in with the polish and wax but after you wash the car the fillers are gone and the swirls are visible again.....

[benhui86]

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are you using enough soap....are you using good soap(cheap brands may not do a good job at lubrication)..... are your mitts and towels clean and never touch the ground...... did you spray off most of the dirt before you wash the car......

usually minor swirls will appear after 4 or 5 washes because that is just normal..... swirls are inevitable because thats just how things are..... but since you are using proper car wash methods.... the swirls are very light and can easily be taken care of by one or 2 passes with 80.....

you can always try foam to wash your car to minimize the amount of dirt that is needed to wash off with the wash mitt

[KrisMas]

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Could I suggest you try to find the cause/root of your problem. Try re-do just a small section first, make sure it's as perfect as you want it. Have that section 'printed' in your memory and compare/check it before and after you wash your car. If the swirls are back after a wash then I think you should check your washing and drying materials (including the water you used), products and techniques. If not, chances are they were there before or 'hiding' from you and came out after a few washes, i.e. you haven't really remove all of them but 'fills' them with one of the steps that you've done.

Just my humble opinion.

[VonLego]

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I'd take a real hard look at your wash method and the towels you use on the car. If you remove most all swirls, then they come back, odds are you're inducing more.

So... what do you do?

[ibnboxin]

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umm are you sure your not tring to remove bad swirl marks below the clear coat. it has happened before. also check your pads you have. you might have picked up something inside them. then go through you entire wash and dry steps and check what you are using. you have to be putting them back on if you do not have them under the clear coat. clear coat is going to follow the surface. if you have a scratch inbetween paint and clear. it could also be a very deep scratch as well