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    Nagging question on glazes and swirls

    This has been bothering me for weeks now, and I can't seem to find the answer to it! As we all know, pure polishes/glazes like M7 and some waxes like NXT 2.0 have the ability to hide minor swirls/hazing. My question is how come they can do this, but they can't seem to fill the bigger scratches. I mean it would make sense if they could fill the bigger ones, but not the smaller, but the other way around just baffles me!

    I mean what is standing in the way of a company developing a product that can hide all surface scratches that haven't penetrated the clear coat.

    No real reason behind this outside of this has been driving me crazy!
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    Re: Nagging question on glazes and swirls

    Thats just the thing, most of those "bigger" scratches have "penetrated" the clear coat more than others. Thats why they can't be covered in. Most of the little tiny swirls/scratches are very, very fine and either the wax covers them, or removes them slightly.

    What it means to remove a scratch out of anything...

    Above is the great little thread that explains it all...if you look at the diagram, look at the deeper scratch, its deeper which means that you can't just fill it in with wax.

    Hopefully that makes sense...

    Ryan
    Attack life, it's going to kill you anyway.

    This is your life. Choose to live it to the fullest.

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    • #3
      Re: Nagging question on glazes and swirls

      When applying a wax, glaze or pure polish you are leaving behind a microscopically thin layer of product. So basically anything larger than a microscopically small scratch isn't going to be hidden or filled. Keep in mind that when looking at these microscopically tiny scratches what you're actually seeing is reflected/refracted light.
      Michael Stoops
      Senior Global Product & Training Specialist | Meguiar's Inc.

      Remember, this hobby is supposed to be your therapy, not the reason you need therapy.

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      • #4
        Re: Nagging question on glazes and swirls

        I understand that the scratches that have pierced the clear coat are in need of paint, but in terms of the scratches that are just in the clear. I also understand just how small of a scale we are talking about, so that isn't the part that bothers me. I also understand the whole point here is making the surface as optically 'flat' as possible so that light isn't reflected in different directions, creating the look of the scratch.

        The part that bothers me is that they can fill these very very fine scratches, but it is like they won't 'layer' or 'pile up' just that smallest amount more to actually completely fill the scratch. I guess my question is 'why' that is a problem in my never-ending search for understanding on more things =P

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        • #5
          Re: Nagging question on glazes and swirls

          Originally posted by Wolf-Strong View Post
          The part that bothers me is that they can fill these very very fine scratches, but it is like they won't 'layer' or 'pile up' just that smallest amount more to actually completely fill the scratch. I guess my question is 'why' that is a problem in my never-ending search for understanding on more things =P
          So you're saying waxes don't layer???? Ooooooh, now you've opened a can of worms.

          Well, maybe not on this forum, but other places..... watch out!!!
          Michael Stoops
          Senior Global Product & Training Specialist | Meguiar's Inc.

          Remember, this hobby is supposed to be your therapy, not the reason you need therapy.

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          • #6
            Re: Nagging question on glazes and swirls

            Originally posted by Mike-in-Orange View Post
            So you're saying waxes don't layer???? Ooooooh, now you've opened a can of worms.

            Well, maybe not on this forum, but other places..... watch out!!!
            I've tried a lot of their 'famous' waxes, layered them a lot, and put it side by side 2 layers (for even coverage) and low and behold, they looked the exact same. Hell, I even like to [edited] people off by saying that Meguiar's $6 cleaner wax/DC3 beads better, and looks better than their $80 favorite wax. Sure, they SAY it may look better, but put it side by side and they never are able to even tell where the line between the two begins and ends

            Oh! I even came up with a new game! I bought some Simonize wax for $1.70 at Big Lots, and mess with people that way too!

            I'm such a problem child


            Seriously though, does anyone have an answer to this question because it is driving me nuts on WHY, from Meguiar's perspective, there is no product that can do this. I'm very analytical and want to know the physics on why!

            [Edited for non-family friendly language]

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            • #7
              Re: Nagging question on glazes and swirls

              I think it is more that it should be done the right way; they should be removed, not just filled.

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              • #8
                Re: Nagging question on glazes and swirls

                Originally posted by roushstage2 View Post
                I think it is more that it should be done the right way; they should be removed, not just filled.
                Yeah but that still doesn't answer the question on why no one has produce such an item. I mean with minimal effort, and the ability to produce an unbelievable shine by filling everything in, would certainly sell like mad in the detailing world, so certainly there has to be some sort of obstacle here that hasn't been overcome, and I am curious on what it is?

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                • #9
                  Re: Nagging question on glazes and swirls

                  Originally posted by Wolf-Strong View Post
                  Yeah but that still doesn't answer the question on why no one has produce such an item. I mean with minimal effort, and the ability to produce an unbelievable shine by filling everything in, would certainly sell like mad in the detailing world, so certainly there has to be some sort of obstacle here that hasn't been overcome, and I am curious on what it is?
                  There are products that will fill in a decent amount of swirling. Exactly how big of a scratch are you thinking? If you and I are thinking of the normal, everyday scratch in the paint, it would be difficult to fill the entire thing in and have the paint look "unbelievable." If that is what you are thinking, Turtle Wax has that colored wax with the "chip stick"...

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                  • #10
                    Re: Nagging question on glazes and swirls

                    Originally posted by roushstage2 View Post
                    There are products that will fill in a decent amount of swirling. Exactly how big of a scratch are you thinking? If you and I are thinking of the normal, everyday scratch in the paint, it would be difficult to fill the entire thing in and have the paint look "unbelievable." If that is what you are thinking, Turtle Wax has that colored wax with the "chip stick"...
                    I am just talking about swirl-mark type of scratches, not actual scratches that may have penetrated through most, if not all of the clear. If you know of products that can completely cover these types of scratches, PM me and let me know!

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                    • #11
                      Re: Nagging question on glazes and swirls

                      Your PMs are turned off...

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                      • #12
                        Re: Nagging question on glazes and swirls

                        Strange; try now.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Nagging question on glazes and swirls

                          PM sent.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Nagging question on glazes and swirls

                            Question still stands open, and hoping someone can chime in with a bit of knowhow on the subject.

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