What Paint cleaner to use?

[MRCLEAN]

i had been using Medallion premium paint cleaner for 2 years but now i its discontinued. i do not like the deep crystal cleaner as much, because it is not as strong as the medallion. what can i use to clean the paint now. did a search but not to sure. anyone have any extra botttles laying around. thanks

[roushstage2]

Re: What Paint cleaner to use?

M80 is probably the most popular (versatile maybe?). It is a cleaner/polish.

[yalerd]

Re: What Paint cleaner to use?

Are you working by hand or by machine?

[Mort Corey]

Re: What Paint cleaner to use?

For an all in one product, you might want to look at #66. The reviews have been good but I haven't had occasion to use the bottle i received on my last shipment to try myself.

Mort

[Mike Phillips]

Re: What Paint cleaner to use?

what can i use to clean the paint now.

What are you working on?

As in what kind of paint? Clearcoat in great condition?

M09 is a light cleaner/polish that will work good for a light paint cleaner also, you might give this a try plus it's available in a 16 ounce bottle and fairly easy to find.

M80 would offer more cleaning power but it can be a little harder to find at the retail level and the smallest container is a quart.

[dotnetdave]

Re: What Paint cleaner to use?

would m09 be the pro equivalent of DC1 ?

[dotnetdave]

Re: What Paint cleaner to use?

also m82 Swirl Free Polish look slike it has the same abrasive as m09

[Mike Phillips]

Re: What Paint cleaner to use?

would m09 be the pro equivalent of DC1 ?

No.

You're comparing apples to oranges. Deep Crystal Paint Cleaner is a dedicated paint cleaner, it will leave the paint looking polished because that's the nature of Meguiar's paint cleaners they advance your results forward, not backwards like an old fashioned rubbing or polishing compound which is the traditional equivalent to Meguair's paint cleaners.

M09 is a cleaner/polish, that is it's part cleaner and part polish.

See the The 5 Step Paint Care Cycle for more information on paint cleaners, cleaner/polishes and pure polishes.

You can get similar results from using both products but they are different types of products.

Does that make sense?

[dotnetdave]

Re: What Paint cleaner to use?

i think so mike, 09 will clean the paint like dc1 but also has a mild polish as well unlike dc1. If you are familiar of a company here in the UK called DoDO they have a product called LimePrime thats sounds very similar to 09. Also would Zymol HD cleanse & Swissvaz Cleaner fluid be similar to 09

also how does 82 compare with 09

[MRCLEAN]

Re: What Paint cleaner to use?

i will be working by hand. my paint is in good condition, it is for a chrome orange Lotus Elise for those who are not familiar with this car it looks like this

http://www.lotusofgreenwich.com/soldcars.php?cat=lotus&carid=1969

thanks

[Mike Phillips]

Re: What Paint cleaner to use?

i will be working by hand. my paint is in good condition, it is for a chrome orange Lotus Elise for those who are not familiar with this car it looks like this

http://www.lotusofgreenwich.com/soldcars.php?cat=lotus&carid=1969

thanks

Very familiar with buffing out this body style, there's lots of plastic trim you should cover with tape or take your time and be careful when working round it.

The one in the below picture had a lot of 3M clear protective film on the lower portions so this reduced how much actual paint there was to work on.





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[Mike Phillips]

Re: What Paint cleaner to use?

i think so mike,
09 will clean the paint like dc1 but also has a mild polish as well unlike dc1.

When you use the word "polish" do you mean an abrasive?

This is where a lot of confusion on the Internet comes from because most other companies that make a product with the word/term "Polish" on the label basically means its some type of rubbing compound or polishing compound and who knows what kind of abrasives are being used.

Meguiar's is different than all these other companies because we make two kinds of polish and one of them in completely NON-ABRASIVE. Thus the confusion because people try to compare or rate our polishes with other products on the market and they don't understand this difference.

We explain it here,

Meguiar's 5-Step Paint Care Cycle

Step-3 Polishing



Meguiar's offers two types of polishes, Cleaner Polishes and Pure Polishes. Cleaner Polishes are for removing very light or fine defects while restoring a crystal clear, smooth high gloss surface. Pure polishes are for finishes already in excellent condition and are for the purpose or creating brilliant high gloss with deep dark reflections.

If you look in Webster's Dictionary under the word polish, one of the definitions they include reads like this:

"A preparation that is used to produce gloss, and often color for the protection and decoration of a surface."

This definition best describes Meguiar's Pure Polishes. Meguiar's pure polishes are designed to create brilliant high gloss while preparing the surface for the application of a protective coating. Meguiar's pure polishes accomplish this without the use of abrasives.


Another definition found in Webster's Dictionary for polish is,

"To make smooth and glossy by friction."

This definition best describes Meguiar's Cleaner/Polishes. Meguiar's cleaner polishes are formulated to very gently abrade the surface with Meguiar's Diminishing Abrasive TM and Buffered Abrasive TM technology to remove the finest defects and create a perfectly smooth, high gloss finish.

Depending on what type of paint you're working on, traditional paints like lacquers and enamels, or catalyzed clear coats, Meguiar's has the products specifically designed to work on both types of paints, not to mention many other surfaces such as plastics and polyester resins (Fiberglas Gel-coats).


Meguiar's Trade Secret Polishing Oils
The trade secret oils Meguiar's uses in both types of polishes are unique to the industry and to this day have never been surpassed for creating deep, dark reflections and brilliant high gloss by any of our competitors in over 100 years.

The oils Meguiar's uses are also important in maintaining the original condition of the paint by filling in the naturally occurring microscopic pores and surface imperfections thus preventing detrimental substances and elements as simple as water, or worse, acid-rain, from entering into these pores and microscopic surface imperfections thus causing oxidation and chemical etching. These oils act to replace the original resins as they wear away through natural processes.

When paint is new, it is the most impermeable it will ever be, this means it is a very smooth non-porous, continuous film. With age, exposure to the environment and micro-scratching caused by day-in, day-out wear and tear, your paint develops micro-fissures in the surface along with other defects. These micro-fissures and other defects act to make the continuous film or coating of paint more porous. As this happens, your car's finish becomes more vulnerable to corrosive elements that will attack and degrade your finish.


Remember, waxes, synthetic or otherwise, are meant to be Sacrificial Barriers with the intended purpose sealing the surface, while blocking those things that would attack your paint, from coming into direct contact with the paint.

"Waxes protect your finish by sacrificing themselves so that your paint doesn't have to"

An analogy is your skin. In the same way you can clean, polish and protect your skin, you can clean, polish and protect your car's finish. Soap can be used to clean your skin and remove dirt from the pores. Skin lotions can be used to moisturize your skin, conditioning it and making it more clear and beautiful. Protection products like lotions used to protect hands from exposure to chemicals and UV protectants can be applied to help protect your skin from the things that would attack your skin if these harmful things could come into direct contact with your skin.

While human skin and automotive paint are very different, the analogy is very similar. With Meguiar's, you can:

* Wash your car's finish to remove unwanted and accumulated dirt contaminants
* Clean your paint with our special paint cleaners and cleaner/polishes
* Polish your paint with our pure polishes to create unequaled beauty
* Protect your paint with our advanced paint protection products
* Maintain your car's finish using our fast and easy to use maintenance products.


The unique thing about Meguiar's highly specialized trade secret oils is their ability to restore and maintain the Optical Clarity of both single stage and clear coat paints in a way that waxes alone cannot match, (both natural and synthetic), the results of which are demonstrated in side-by-side comparisons.


Note: Meguiar's Compounds, Paint Cleaners, Cleaner/Polishes and Pure Polishes don't need to dry before removing them. The idea is to apply them, work them against and into the finish and then remove them. Only Meguiar's Waxes need to dry out of all the paint care products in the Meguiar's Line of products.

i think so mike, 09 will clean the paint like dc1 but also has a mild polish as well unlike dc1.

DC1 or Deep Crystal Paint Cleaner DOES contain some diminishing abrasives as well as chemical cleaners, so we're not sure what you mean when you say,

"unlike dc1"

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09 will clean the paint like dc1 but also has a mild polish as well unlike dc1.

Again this probably has to do with what people think of when the word "Polish" is used. To many people, when they read or hear the word polish they think of something scratchy and abrasive and that's not true with Meguair's.

Cool thing about Meguair's is we've been around longer than most if not all the other polish manufactures still in business today and we've been making pure polishes and associating them with the word "polish" longer than most if not longer than all, so we've set a historic precedence that others have to buck or overcome, not the other way around.

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If you are familiar of a company here in the UK called DoDO they have a product called LimePrime thats sounds very similar to 09. Also would Zymol HD cleanse & Swissvaz Cleaner fluid be similar to 09

Oh.. don't know about similar to Meguair's as we think we're the best, but they might be better than nothing if you can't get Meguiar's.

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also how does 82 compare with 09

Oh thank goodness for the Hot Topics forum... saves us from typing a little each day...

What's the difference between #9 #82 and #80




Again, probably the issue with the word polish is just semantics, that is there are so many wax companies using the word in different way. ON this forum we need to make sure we always clarify what we mean when we use this word/term.

Hope this helps...

[dotnetdave]

Re: What Paint cleaner to use?

mike,

yes the word polish is confusing i was refering to in the sense of mild abrasive , i didnt realise dc1 had this is in i though it was just a chemical cleaner. what you call pure polish like dc2 i think is what normall gets called a glaze ??? but gets really confusing with products like m80 speed glaze which is a mild abrasive and m07 show car glaze which is a glaz

[Mike Phillips]

Re: What Paint cleaner to use?

mike,

yes the word polish is confusing i was refering to in the sense of mild abrasive , i didnt realise dc1 had this is in i though it was just a chemical cleaner. what you call pure polish like dc2 i think is what normall gets called a glaze ??? but gets really confusing with products like m80 speed glaze which is a mild abrasive and m07 show car glaze which is a glaz

Pure Polishes
M03 Machine Glaze
M05 New Car Glaze
M07 Show Car Glaze
Deep Crystal Polish

Cleaner/Polishes
M09 Swirl Remover 2.0
M82 Swirl Free Polish
M80 Speed Glaze
M83 Dual Action Cleaner/Polish


DC2 or Deep Crystal Polish is a non-abrasive pure polish.

[dotnetdave]

Re: What Paint cleaner to use?

would dc1 come under the cleaner\polish category with more emphasis on the cleaner than the polish part

i think the most misnamed product is m80 speed glaze which as you list is a cleaner\polish specially when a lot of your pure polishes are called glaze