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    #83 by hand?

    Dear friends,

    I just finished buffing my red car with Meguiars #83 and my PC, tell you the truth I am really happy with the results!!
    My car has a problem though, it has a bunch of small sections and awkward surfaces where I cannot reach with the PC.
    I was wondering if I would be able to do these sections by hand with #83 or should I use something else? Would it take me too long to do this? There were sections of my cars paint that were clearly damaged by the sun but have now come back to life with #83.
    I will then polish with #82 and seal with #26.

    any suggestions would be greatly appreciated,

    bst rgds,

    Chino
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    Re: #83 by hand?

    I believe the bottle says applications are available by: Hand, PC, Rotary. So you should be good applying it by hand, but I might get some scratch X, and use that in the tight spots. Im not sure how long, or the process needed to apply 83 by hand. I do know that Mike starts all his classes trying scratch X by hand, so personally, that is where I would start. Good luck, and let us know how it goes.
    Schotography

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    • #3
      Re: #83 by hand?

      Originally posted by mschoelen View Post
      I believe the bottle says applications are available by: Hand, PC, Rotary. So you should be good applying it by hand, but I might get some scratch X, and use that in the tight spots. Im not sure how long, or the process needed to apply 83 by hand. I do know that Mike starts all his classes trying scratch X by hand, so personally, that is where I would start. Good luck, and let us know how it goes.
      I agree... ScratchX is a probably a better option.
      Brandon

      2007 Black Chevy Avalanche
      My Albums: Avalanche
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      • #4
        Re: #83 by hand?

        I'll third that, ScratchX is the way to go.
        "No man is so foolish but he may sometimes give another good counsel, and no man so wise that he may not easily err if he takes no other counsel than his own. He that is taught only by himself has a fool for a master." --Hunter S. Thompson

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        • #5
          Re: #83 by hand?

          Thanks all for your kind replies!!

          I will then try Scratch X and let you know the outcome.....

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          • #6
            Re: #83 by hand?

            one question since I do not own a rotoary or DA... and so far scratch x inst working for me should I try this?.... cause Ive been trying to get rid of swirls and some scratching but u r limited when doing it by hand but i was wondering if it were possible to remove swirling with #80 or higher?... lets jsut say Ive been usuing a lot of passion with the scratch x Im always out of breathe when Im done with a small panel... or Should I wait to get a rotary or a DA?

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            • #7
              Re: #83 by hand?

              If ScratchX isn't cutting it, then I'm not real sure if #80 or #83 by hand would yield any better results. I'd say keep saving your pennies and try to get your hands on a PC. You really won't regret it.
              "No man is so foolish but he may sometimes give another good counsel, and no man so wise that he may not easily err if he takes no other counsel than his own. He that is taught only by himself has a fool for a master." --Hunter S. Thompson

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              • #8
                Re: #83 by hand?

                Originally posted by BlueTooth View Post
                one question since I do not own a rotoary or DA... and so far scratch x inst working for me should I try this?.... cause Ive been trying to get rid of swirls and some scratching but u r limited when doing it by hand but i was wondering if it were possible to remove swirling with #80 or higher?... lets jsut say Ive been usuing a lot of passion with the scratch x Im always out of breathe when Im done with a small panel... or Should I wait to get a rotary or a DA?

                i am in same boat. everything i do is by hand. dont have money for a DA. and i cant find any of the great deals everyone else seems to find on them. i keep hearing people getting the porter cable 7424 or 7336 for as low as $26 -$50. speaking of the porter cable. i heard that last fall dewalt bought porter cable. they will be discontinuing the porter cable name but will revise the 7424 under the dewalt and/or black and decker badge. info came from a dewalt sales rep

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                • #9
                  Re: #83 by hand?

                  from what I learned, the reason Mike starts with scratch X is by hand is to try determine if either scratch x will do the job that meets his/her satisified requirements or if you need to go with M80 etc...

                  i tend to do this on cars i haven't detailed before myself. works good and helps a lot to learn a little about the car's paint and finish.

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                  • #10
                    Re: #83 by hand?

                    Here's the skinny,

                    Originally, ScratchX was specifically formulated to remove swirls and scratches by hand, now it's been reformulated to be used by hand or a PC/G100. It's a thinner product than it was originally but formulated to work just as well.


                    M83, M80, M82, M09 and even M02 all state they can be used by hand, D.A. or with a Rotary Buffer, but these products as far as we know were never specifically formulated to be used by hand but instead with a rotary buffer, something with a lot of power to force the diminishing abrasives against the paint to do the job of removing paint or in other words, removing below surface defects.

                    So "yes" these products in the Professional Line can be used by hand, but we haven't personally tested and compared their effectiveness at removing paint directly compared to ScratchX in side-by-side testing. Because ScratchX was originally formulated specifically for removing swirls and scratches by hand, this is what we've been showing people at our Saturday Classes ever since we taught the first Saturday class way back on August 31st of 2002


                    August 31st was the first Saturday Detail Class coordinated through a Discussion forum. Here's the original thread on MercedesShop.com

                    SoCal MercedesShop, Meguiar's Detailing Day In August





                    The first "Feedback" Reply can be found on the bottom of Page 8


                    Here's one photo from the event...





                    So yes, you can use products like M83 by hand and this would include using it to remove below surface defects by hand, but we've never done this as a practice because we've always grabbed the product that was specifically formulated for working by hand and saved products like M83 for when we're working by machine.

                    If you choose to use M83 by hand the please come back to this thread or start a new thread and share your results for the benefit of the community.

                    Thanks!
                    Mike Phillips
                    760-515-0444
                    showcargarage@gmail.com
                    "Find something you like and use it often"

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                    • #11
                      Re: #83 by hand?

                      Big picture is this,

                      "Always use the least aggressive product to get the job done"


                      If you're first product of choice doesn't work fast enough or effectively enough you can always substitute a more aggressive product.

                      If a hand applied product isn't getting the job done, then it could be you'll have to try using a machine applied product because a machine will tend to offer more power for removing defects, or in some cases the defect may be too deep and you'll have to learn to live with it or consider having the area repainted.

                      For hard to reach areas by machine.
                      For these situations, you're only option is to work by hand, for example a louver on a hood or thin panels around the front clip, etc.

                      "Sometimes all you can do is all you can do"


                      By this we mean, some clear coat paints are rather hard and even when using a swirl and scratch remove like ScratchX or M83, you cannot always remove all of the below surface defects, this can be hard for a Newbie as well as Seasoned Professional, it's the nature of the paint that makes removing defects difficult. There simply is no easy answer nor any easy to apply products that will get the job done.


                      Hope this helps a little...
                      Mike Phillips
                      760-515-0444
                      showcargarage@gmail.com
                      "Find something you like and use it often"

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                      • #12
                        Re: #83 by hand?

                        thanks Mike for clearing it up

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