Abrasives in #21

[JJ1]

Does #21 contain any abrasives? Description says it eliminates fine scratches.

[TH0001]

Re: Abrasives in #21

It eliminates you from viewing them by filling them in.

[Sydster]

Re: Abrasives in #21

It eliminates you from viewing them by filling them in.

I agree, this wax is a pure wax unlike the NXT and #20 which has very mild cleaners, so #21 just fills in all the finer swirls.

[fishbonezken]

Re: Abrasives in #21

#21 does have mild cleaners

http://www.meguiarsonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10652

[Mike Phillips]

Re: Abrasives in #21

M21 does have a slight amount of light cleaners in it, not enough to be a cleaner/wax.

[Sydster]

Re: Abrasives in #21

M21 does have a slight amount of light cleaners in it, not enough to be a cleaner/wax.

Mike,

I apologize for giving out wrong information about the M21, I always thought it was a pure wax and now I know I'm wrong.

Just for clarification purposes can I know what waxes are the pure waxes so that I don't mislead myself and other members in the future.

Thanks

[JSM]

Re: Abrasives in #21

Just for clarification purposes can I know what waxes are the pure waxes so that I don't mislead myself and other members in the future.

Thanks

From the information that I have gleaned from both the Meguiar's website and this forum, it is my understanding that the pure waxes in the Meguiar's line-up, meaning that they do not contain any cleaners, are the following:

• Deep Crystal System #3 Carnauba Wax

• #16

• #26

Unfortunately, #16 has been discontinued in North America, so it makes it relatively hard for most to find. However, it can still be found overseas quite easily. The other waxes listed, which I have tried and still use quite frequently, are great products and provide exceptional performance.

[Sydster]

Re: Abrasives in #21

From the information that I have gleaned from both the Meguiar's website and this forum, it is my understanding that the pure waxes in the Meguiar's line-up, meaning that they do not contain any cleaners, are the following:

• Deep Crystal System #3 Carnauba Wax

• #16

• #26

Unfortunately, #16 has been discontinued in North America, so it makes it relatively hard for most to find. However, it can still be found overseas quite easily. The other waxes listed, which I have tried and still use quite frequently, are great products and provide exceptional performance.

Thanks a lot Jeff!

[Mike Phillips]

Re: Abrasives in #21

From the information that I have gleaned from both the Meguiar's website and this forum, it is my understanding that the pure waxes in the Meguiar's line-up, meaning that they do not contain any cleaners, are the following:

• Deep Crystal System #3 Carnauba Wax
• #16
• #26

This would be correct.

[JSM]

Re: Abrasives in #21

This would be correct.

Excellent...passed my Meguiar's pop-quiz with flying colors!

[Darren F]

Re: Abrasives in #21

So does that mean the # 21 fills or removes swirls and light scratches?

[Mike Phillips]

Re: Abrasives in #21

So does that mean the # 21 fills or removes swirls and light scratches?

It does both.


M21 contains a sleight amount of diminishing abrasives, not abrasives. Every time someone types on a forum that a product contains abrasives it creates a mental picture in the minds of people of a product that will scratch and that's not true of Meguiar's products. For example, M21 did not scratch this car.













And Meguiar's products have NOT been scratching cars for over 100 years, we are known for creating beautiful show car finishes. So when referring to a Meguiar's product on this forum, or any forum, please add the other key important word, diminishing before you type the word abrasives.


Now on the topic of filling or filling-in

Read these words carefully...

ANY quality wax or paint sealant, (whatever you want to call it), fills. Period, end of discussion.

Ask yourself this question,


What is the purpose of coating of wax or a coating of some type of paint sealant?


The answer is primarily to protect the underlying paint, but also to make the paint shiny, glossy, reflective and in simple words, beautiful. Key word here being 'underlying', as in the substance under the coating of wax.

If it is true, that a wax or paint sealant is suppose to protect the paint, then the way it's doing this is by coating over the surface and leaving itself behind. If a wax is truly working, then it's doing this, (coating over the surface), if it's coating over the surface then at some level it's filling in imperfections.

If you know of a wax that does not fill in, then don't use it because it's not leaving itself behind and thus defeating the purpose for the reason for which it was created as well as your reason for using it.

Does that make sense?

[Darren F]

Re: Abrasives in #21

It makes sense...... so does # 21 fill or does it remove light srcatches and swirls? If it fills they will come back quicker than if it removes them correct?

[Murr1525]

Re: Abrasives in #21

Scratches and swirls and cobwebs are all basicaly the same thing, low points in the paint cause by something rubbing over the surface. Naturaly, the deeper and more severe the scratch/swirl, the less it will be hidden or eliminated.

If you just fill them in, they will certainly some back. If you eliminate them they will only come back if something else is rubbed over the surface to cause them.

[Mike Phillips]

Re: Abrasives in #21

It makes sense...... so does # 21 fill or does it remove light srcatches and swirls? If it fills they will come back quicker than if it removes them correct?

The ability for a product like this to abrade the paint and actually remove swils is so limited. If you have swirls in your car's paint, you need to use a paint cleaner like ScratchX or #2 Fine Cut Cleaner, or a cleaner/polish like M80 or M83

Darren F:

• What are you working on?
• What are you trying to accomplish?
• Are you working by hand?
• Are you working by machine, if so what kind of machine?
• What have you done so far? As in have you clayed the paint and evaluated it?
• What products do you currently have to work with?
• Do you own M21? If not, what waxes/paint protectants do you have?

Answer these questions and we can probably do a better job of helping you to reach your car care goals.



Thanks!