M83,M82,M80,M7 Questions 2nd try

[Uros]

Hi,

First of all I have got to say that I am from Austria (Europe), so excuse me for my bad English! I will order from the US the G100 or the PC 7424 Polisher (there is no real alternative in the EU, or I havn t found it yet) and so I will need the right Products!

I have allready got many consumer products, but I think if I want to achieve perfect gloss I need the professional products!

I have searched in this forum, but I have some Questions!


What I understood is that the M83 ist a polish to remove swirls and scratches, and after that I have to apply the M80 wich is finer.
The M82 is softer than the M80, so less abrasive. But ca I use the M82 after the M83 instead of the M80? (you habe to know that Meguiars is preaty expensive in the EU compared to the US, cost for 32oz about 40

[Uros]

Re: M83,M82,M80,M7 Questions

What is the exact difference between the M80 and M82? Can I apply those two to a new car/paint, so without swirls and scratches, to get better gloss? (I have two cars: a 99

[Uros]

Re: M83,M82,M80,M7 Questions

Why is it not posting my whole text???

[Uros]

M83,M82,M80,M7 Questions 2nd try

Hi,

First of all I have got to say that I am from Austria (Europe), so excuse me for my bad English! I will order from the US the G100 or the PC 7424 Polisher (there is no real alternative in the EU, or I havn t found it yet) and so I will need the right Products!

I have allready got many consumer products, but I think if I want to achieve perfect gloss I need the professional products!

I have searched in this forum, but I have some Questions!


What I understood is that the M83 ist a polish to remove swirls and scratches, and after that I have to apply the M80 wich is finer.
The M82 is softer than the M80, so less abrasive. But ca I use the M82 after the M83 instead of the M80? (you habe to know that Meguiars is preaty expensive in the EU compared to the US, cost for 32oz about 40

[Mike Phillips]

Re: M83,M82,M80,M7 Questions 2nd try

Hi Uros,


When you get a chance, read this and focus in on the section that talks about cleaner/polishes and pure polishes.


Meguiar's 5-Step Paint Care Cycle

Here's the pertinent parts...


Step-3 Polishing



Meguiar's offers two types of polishes, Cleaner Polishes and Pure Polishes. Cleaner Polishes are for removing very light or fine defects while restoring a crystal clear, smooth high gloss surface. Pure polishes are for finishes already in excellent condition and are for the purpose or creating brilliant high gloss with deep dark reflections.

If you look in Webster's Dictionary under the word polish, one of the definitions they include reads like this:

"A preparation that is used to produce gloss, and often color for the protection and decoration of a surface."

This definition best describes Meguiar's Pure Polishes. Meguiar's pure polishes are designed to create brilliant high gloss while preparing the surface for the application of a protective coating. Meguiar's pure polishes accomplish this without the use of abrasives.


Another definition found in Webster's Dictionary for polish is,

"To make smooth and glossy by friction."

This definition best describes Meguiar's Cleaner/Polishes. Meguiar's cleaner polishes are formulated to very gently abrade the surface with Meguiar's Diminishing Abrasive TM and Buffered Abrasive TM technology to remove the finest defects and create a perfectly smooth, high gloss finish.

Depending on what type of paint you're working on, traditional paints like lacquers and enamels, or catalyzed clear coats, Meguiar's has the products specifically designed to work on both types of paints, not to mention many other surfaces such as plastics and polyester resins (Fiberglas Gel-coats).


Meguiar's Trade Secret Polishing Oils
The trade secret oils Meguiar's uses in both types of polishes are unique to the industry and to this day have never been surpassed for creating deep, dark reflections and brilliant high gloss by any of our competitors in over 100 years.

The oils Meguiar's uses are also important in maintaining the original condition of the paint by filling in the naturally occurring microscopic pores and surface imperfections thus preventing detrimental substances and elements as simple as water, or worse, acid-rain, from entering into these pores and microscopic surface imperfections thus causing oxidation and chemical etching. These oils act to replace the original resins as they wear away through natural processes.

When paint is new, it is the most impermeable it will ever be, this means it is a very smooth non-porous, continuous film. With age, exposure to the environment and micro-scratching caused by day-in, day-out wear and tear, your paint develops micro-fissures in the surface along with other defects. These micro-fissures and other defects act to make the continuous film or coating of paint more porous. As this happens, your car's finish becomes more vulnerable to corrosive elements that will attack and degrade your finish.


Remember, waxes, synthetic or otherwise, are meant to be Sacrificial Barriers with the intended purpose sealing the surface, while blocking those things that would attack your paint, from coming into direct contact with the paint.

"Waxes protect your finish by sacrificing themselves so that your paint doesn't have to"

An analogy is your skin. In the same way you can clean, polish and protect your skin, you can clean, polish and protect your car's finish. Soap can be used to clean your skin and remove dirt from the pores. Skin lotions can be used to moisturize your skin, conditioning it and making it more clear and beautiful. Protection products like lotions used to protect hands from exposure to chemicals and UV protectants can be applied to help protect your skin from the things that would attack your skin if these harmful things could come into direct contact with your skin.

While human skin and automotive paint are very different, the analogy is very similar. With Meguiar's, you can:

* Wash your car's finish to remove unwanted and accumulated dirt contaminants
* Clean your paint with our special paint cleaners and cleaner/polishes
* Polish your paint with our pure polishes to create unequaled beauty
* Protect your paint with our advanced paint protection products
* Maintain your car's finish using our fast and easy to use maintenance products.


The unique thing about Meguiar's highly specialized trade secret oils is their ability to restore and maintain the Optical Clarity of both single stage and clear coat paints in a way that waxes alone cannot match, (both natural and synthetic), the results of which are demonstrated in side-by-side comparisons.


Note: Meguiar's Compounds, Paint Cleaners, Cleaner/Polishes and Pure Polishes don't need to dry before removing them. The idea is to apply them, work them against and into the finish and then remove them. Only Meguiar's Waxes need to dry out of all the paint care products in the Meguiar's Line of products.


Then in a nutshell, if you're going to do all of your work using a G100/PC, then here's the products you need,

M83 - Serious defect removal, if this doesn't remove the defects then you can either step up to a rotary buffer or don't sell your customer a flawless finish and take what you can get from this product and go with it.

M80 - Light to medium defect removal. This product will take care of most problems, any deeper defects this won't remove you can try M83 on, if neither remove the defects it's likely they're too deep and don't worry about them. Remove what you can and then move on to waxing the car.

Unless you're doing "Show Car" quality work, then removing most of the lighter defects and then moving on to waxing the car will meet the expectations of your detail customers, besides that you can't spend the entire day on the paint if you're also washing the car and doing the interior etc.,


Pick a wax you like for the wax step.


If you want, pick up some M82 for working out fine defects on softer paints, and M66 by the gallon for production work as it's a one-step product.

There you go...

[Mike Phillips]

Re: M83,M82,M80,M7 Questions

Why is it not posting my whole text???

Are you typing this in another program like MS Word and then copying and pasting into the forum?

If not, for some reason some types of code make your words disappear, we're not sure why.

It's always a good idea to copy and paste any "Long" message you've typed up into notepad or something like it in case something goes wrong, that way you don't have to re-type everything.

[Mike Phillips]

Re: M83,M82,M80,M7 Questions

This thread you've started is like another thread you've started so we're going to merge them.

Please only post a question one time and it's best not to ask too many questions in one thread as it makes it difficult to answer them. It's better to start a thread with a single question and get that answer and then post a new thread with a new question.

Thanks,

[gorin002]

Re: M83,M82,M80,M7 Questions 2nd try

uros welcome to mol
i understood your message very wel
do not worry welcome to mol

[Uros]

Re: M83,M82,M80,M7 Questions 2nd try

Hi,

No, I was directly writing it in the forum. I have just sent you an Email with my text! I dont understand why it ist not working

Edit: Yes, I did it like this, I have made a Copy before posting to get sure, you never know!

Can you edit this thread with the whole text, or give me a briev answor by mail?

Thank you very much!!!

[Uros]

Re: M83,M82,M80,M7 Questions 2nd try

I have allready tried it, but it isnt working!!!