Still confused between #9 and #82...

[Nick Chapman]

I just can't seem to make a decision between the 2 and I really don't want to buy both.

Here's why I'm buying. I detailed a black Viper with 83/8006 via PC, then followed up with 80/8006 via PC, then 2 coats of wax. What was left was some very fine scratches/swirls. Not really noticable(owner didn't even notice them and he's pretty picky). I'm assuming that these were left from my pad of choice and the #80. I'm looking to take this car to the next level and get those fine little imprefections out of there.
Am I on the right track thinking that #9 or #82 with a 9006 pad will correct this issue? I know I should probably just go buy 2 small bottles of each and find out which one works best for this cars paint, but I'm really hoping that someone here can lead me in the right direction.

Also, are these 2 products better applied by rotary or PC?

Thanks,
Nick

[Mike Phillips]

Re: Still confused between #9 and #82...

I just can't seem to make a decision between the 2 and I really don't want to buy both.

Am I on the right track thinking that #9 or #82 with a 9006 pad will correct this issue?

I know I should probably just go buy 2 small bottles of each and find out which one works best for this cars paint, but I'm really hoping that someone here can lead me in the right direction.

Both of these products are light cleaner/polishes, the formulas are different, but at the same time they are both very similar products. We've been told out of the two products, the M82 is a tad more aggressive than the M09, but probably not enough to notice any difference from using the product. Basically choose one and go with it.

Also, are these 2 products better applied by rotary or PC?

Thanks,
Nick

Depends upon the application, for what you're trying to do, you might give the PC the first chance to remove the defects, if that doesn't work then switch to the rotary buffer. Remember to clean your pads often when using either of these two products or you can run into some gumming, or sticking issues, so clean your pad often.

[Nick Chapman]

Re: Still confused between #9 and #82...

Thanks Mike!

I guess I'll just stick with the 80 series and go with the #82. Then figure out the best application method on my own. I'm getting the same Viper again for a wash this week, and I'm really hoping that he will leave it with me overnight so I can play with the #82 on it. He's got another show this weekend, and wants it to look it's best.

Nick

Also, barry should just adopt you so we can officially call you Mike Meguiar

[BlueZero]

Re: Still confused between #9 and #82...

Also, barry should just adopt you so we can officially call you Mike Meguiar

[TH0001]

Re: Still confused between #9 and #82...

I would like to add something out of experince, if you don't mind.

Assuming you are working the products properly and breaking the abbrasives down fully, I don't think #80 will leave marring on a Viper's paint. Now I am speaking in generals, because ALL paint (even with in the same year/model/color) is different, but Vipers have very hard paint (almost Corvette/Audi hard) in my experience.

I am not saying that it is not possible that #80 left micromarring behind, its just unlikely. Try the #82/#9 (which I don't think will improve the surface left by #80 on the Viper's paint). If this doesn't improve it, I would consider the followling....

#83 may have left marring behind that #80 couldn't remove AND/OR #83 didn't get all the marring out (to reinerate, Viper paint is generally very hard, and IMO needs a rotary and #83 to get correction going). When you followed with #80, you just burished the surface and cleaned it up, which made the marring more visible if you will.

So my suggestion would be to make several passes with #83/PC until the surface is virtually perfect. Follow by one pass of #80 to remove any micromarring that may exist and deepen the apperance.

[yakky]

Re: Still confused between #9 and #82...

So my suggestion would be to make several passes with #83/PC until the surface is virtually perfect. Follow by one pass of #80 to remove any micromarring that may exist and deepen the apperance.

Yep, I agree. It seems that you may not have worked #83 long enough to break it down and #80 is having trouble with what is left. Strange thing is that neither should leave swirls or trails, #83 if not broken down well leaves haziness. Any chance you had some dirt in your pads?

[Nick Chapman]

Re: Still confused between #9 and #82...

I would like to add something out of experince, if you don't mind.

Assuming you are working the products properly and breaking the abbrasives down fully, I don't think #80 will leave marring on a Viper's paint. Now I am speaking in generals, because ALL paint (even with in the same year/model/color) is different, but Vipers have very hard paint (almost Corvette/Audi hard) in my experience.

I am not saying that it is not possible that #80 left micromarring behind, its just unlikely. Try the #82/#9 (which I don't think will improve the surface left by #80 on the Viper's paint). If this doesn't improve it, I would consider the followling....

#83 may have left marring behind that #80 couldn't remove AND/OR #83 didn't get all the marring out (to reinerate, Viper paint is generally very hard, and IMO needs a rotary and #83 to get correction going). When you followed with #80, you just burished the surface and cleaned it up, which made the marring more visible if you will.

So my suggestion would be to make several passes with #83/PC until the surface is virtually perfect. Follow by one pass of #80 to remove any micromarring that may exist and deepen the apperance.

Excellent point! And this is something that I thought of going into this car. I made 3 passes of #83, then followed up with 2 passes of #80. These were all applied by PC, and I think the only thing that I should of done differently was to apply the first pass of #83 by rotary, then continue with the PC until I got the disired results. The only reason that I didn't go with the rotary is because this paticular car wasn't swirled up too awful bad to begin with.
Here is a picture of what it looked like when I got it. Had some swirls, but nothing too drastic...


So after my test spot, I decided not to use the rotary.
I didn't get a good "after" picture. But I will when he brings it to me for a little touch up before his show this weekend.

[Nick Chapman]

Re: Still confused between #9 and #82...

Yep, I agree. It seems that you may not have worked #83 long enough to break it down and #80 is having trouble with what is left. Strange thing is that neither should leave swirls or trails, #83 if not broken down well leaves haziness. Any chance you had some dirt in your pads?

There's always a chance to have dirt in your pads, but I made every effort to keep them clean. They never touched the ground, and when they were removed from the PC, then went directly into their plastic bags.