So many, many products

[Murr1525]

Re: So many, many products

Well, here is a little break down for you jezroj. Have to keep in mind how you apply them can change things a little, but here is the idea...

Mildest for hand use - DC#1

Body Scrub is somewhere in the middle

Strongest for hand use - ScratchX.

#83/#9 are very mild for PC use.

#80 is mild.

#83 is medium strength for PC use.

[CharlesW]

Re: So many, many products

#83/#9 are very mild for PC use.

I know it wasn't on jezroj's list, but isn't #82 the product that is most comparable to #9? On Meguiar's abrasive scale of 0-10, #9 and #82 are rated as 3 while #83 is rated at 6.

#80 is mild.

#80 used with a G100/PC/Cyclo does an excellent job of paint prep. It will remove enough paint to level many paint flaws. To me, one of the really nice things about #80 is the fact that it can be followed by an LSP. #80 followed by NXT Tech Wax makes for an easy two step process that looks great on even black vehicles.

#83 is medium strength for PC use.

#83 will definitely take care of more flaws, but for me it sometimes seems to need a follow up milder polish to be ready for the LSP. Not always and I don't know if the difference is in the paint or in my use. Not knocking the #83 at all, just trying to point out that it may not leave you with a finish ready for wax/sealant.

In case you haven't guessed, #80 has become my go to paint correction product in most all cases.

[jezroj]

Re: So many, many products

Let me recap this as I understand Meguiar’s Cleaners

• DC#1 mildest for hand use or DA use – okay to follow-up with finish
• Body Scrub stronger than DC#1 Scrub for hand use or DA use – okay to follow-up with finish
• ScratchX stronger than Body Scrub for hand use (new ScratchX for DA use) – okay to follow-up with finish
• #9 & 82 stronger than Body Scrub and similar to each other for machine use – okay to follow-up finish
• #80 stronger than #9 & 82 for machine use – okay to follow-up with wax finish, good 2 step product
• #83 stronger than # 80 for machine use – may require milder cleaner after application before applying finish

CharlesW mentions Meguiar’s abrasive scale, where is that found?

I appreciate the education with this stuff, let me know if the above is incorrect or should have some additional comments.

I hope Santa was nice to all of you and please have a safe New Year!

[94lt1chic]

Re: So many, many products

i agree with everyone on the great products and difrrent uses of the meguiars line, but the only really question i have is which is better meguiars Gold Class or the new ntx wax? Ive been usin the Gold Class since it came out and I LOVE IT!!! I detail cars on the side from my 50+ hours full time . just want to know whats the diffrence. thanks

[CharlesW]

Re: So many, many products

Jezroj:
While I'm not all that familiar with the consumer line products, it would seem that you have a pretty good handle on the products listed.
The "Abrasive Scale" I referred to is the one that is shown on the bottles of the Professional line of products. It's shown with a bar graph on the particular product in the bottle. There is quite a bit of good information on the bottles themselves. Including the instructions that everyone should read.

[jezroj]

Re: So many, many products

I found this post dating back to 2004, don't know how up to date or accurate it is but ...

Aug 10th, 2004, 12:28 AM

Setec Astronomy Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: New Jersey Posts: 468

I Think I Finally Get It....(rosetta stone) Being a "scientist", I had to keep at this until I really understood how all these products fit together. Although I would like to believe that the myriad Meguiar's products include a lot of the same stuff in different bottles, I don't think this is really true (with the possible exception of the 00 Wash and the Soft Wash Gel). I just couldn't get my head around all the products...until I thought of it differently. The breakthrough was realizing that the Meguiar's 5-Step Cycle, when you remove the washing and the maintaining, is a 3-step process (1--cleaning, 2--polishing/glazing, and 3--waxing/protecting), and that the myriad of products are all mixing and variations of the 3 steps. What I mean is this: you can use 3 separate products, or you can use a cleaner and a polish/wax, or use a cleaner/polish and a wax, or you can simply use a cleaner/wax. Mix in some different levels of aggressiveness, and you can split out all the consumer/pro/bodyshop products that an amateur/semi/pro detailer would use into 6 groups: 1. Cleaners (least to most aggressive): DC1 Body Scrub MPPC ScratchX 2. Cleaner/Polishes (least to most aggressive) #9 #82 #80 #83 3. Polishes #7 DC2 #81 4. Polish/Waxes Gold Class MPCC 5. Waxes NXT #26 #16 DC3 6. Cleaner/Waxes (least to most aggressive) #20 A-12 Cleaner/Wax #6 ColorX Maybe this was obvious to everyone but me, but now I can understand that every product has a place, depending on the condition of the surface, how many steps you want to do, and how you want to mix the steps (if at all). Picking how you want to do it, what is appropriate, what looks best to you, that's all part of The Art of Polishing Paint (Mike Phillips’ forthcoming e-book). I guess I really DO need a bottle of each (what is the Meguiar’s stock selling for now? ) Mike P., I’m sorry if I stole any of your thunder with this …if you agree with my analysis please feel free to edit this post with the full product names, links to the products and your book. __________________ Mike

[TH0001]

Re: So many, many products

From my experince

Cleaners/Abbrasives

DC1-Mildest abbrasive cleaner, good chemical cleaning ablility

use: Allows cleaning and stripping of old waxes/sealents/polishes while removing mild oxidation. Allows one to have an over the counter prep for detailing

ScratchX- Mild abbrasive cleaner

use: Allows for mild swirl and scratch removal by hand for over the counter consumers

#84- Aggresive rubbing/polishing compound for rotary use

use: With aggresive pads and a rotary buffer this compound allows quick defect removal.

#85- Slighly more aggresive and drier then #84

use: Formulated dry for wool pad use with minimal slinging, this is the most aggresive polish and is used when #84 isn't working quick enough

Pure polishes/glazes (in order of best shine to least shine by MY Opinion) These are all very close though in terms of apperance

#7- best shine, hardest to use
#5- easiest to use
#81- formulated for machine use
DC2- 2nd easiest to use and the best bang for the buck.

Polish/Cleaners (mildest to strongest)

#9- very mild, used to clean up micromarring (I find this very workable with a PC)

#82- very mild, used to clean up micromarring (I use with when I need a mild polish with my rotary)

#80- mild. Probably the most versitale cleaner/polish in the Meguiars line up. Truely my go to product before I wax. The heavy oil content (similar quality oils to #7) mean it leaves a glossy LSP ready surface most of the time, deeper and nicer then the other cleaner/polishes IMO. With a rotary you get a pretty nice cut and clear finish. By PC, you still get a nice cut and usually an LSP finish.

#83-meduim cut. By rotary you can finish down to an LSP ready surface (rotaries break polishes down better, so to speak, so you are less likely to get micromarring) that can remove moderate swirling and defects. This polish is strong enough to push the limits of what the PC can accomplish, although by PC you may need to finish down with a milder polish (9/82/80)

LSPs (Again, my opinions only)

Consumer

NXT- Synethic polymer with amazing gloss/refectivity. Meguiars' claims its their best protecting sealent, though I find that it looses its luster quickly and doesn't bead water well after a couple weeks.

Gold Glass- Deep finish, not very durable. I personally find #26 to do everything better.

DC3- Nice finish with nice water beading. Being carnuba based, it goes away pretty quick. Again I find #26 to do every this does, but better.

Professional Line

#16- Old school carnuba wax with good depth/shine and amazing durablity.

#20- Not much experince with it at all. Simliar to #21 but with more cleaning ablity though perhaps not quite the shine?

#21-In my opinion this is the second most reflective sealent/wax Meguiars' makes (behind NXT). The main differnce is it produces a deeper, darker shine then the others, IMO. Probably the best looking sealent on the market, and fairly long lasting also.

#26- A carnuba/synethic blend that gives amazingly deep reflections. IMO, superior then GoldGlass/DC3 in every way including durablity and ease of application/removal. If you enjoy those you would love #26. Very warm shimmer on deep colors.

[CharlesW]

Re: So many, many products

TH0001:
Have you experienced any real difference between the liquid #26 and the paste #26 other than the obvious difference in application? I know a lot of people still feel that a liquid doesn't have the durability of a paste.

[jezroj]

Re: So many, many products

TH0001
Thanks for the review, this is the type of information we can all learn from.

Have a safe and fun New Year's

[TH0001]

Re: So many, many products

TH0001:
Have you experienced any real difference between the liquid #26 and the paste #26 other than the obvious difference in application? I know a lot of people still feel that a liquid doesn't have the durability of a paste.

Sorry I have only used the liquid version but a bump for somebody to anwser.

[STG]

Re: So many, many products

Good discussion here, great questions and buda summed things up pretty nicely, we'll pass the link to this thread on to Marketing.

Speaking of marketing, Target, Walmart, and other department stores routinely change product location in the hopes that shoppers see something new for an impulse purchase every time they come in.

Meguiar's may have two dozen facings at the Walmart in Cody, but their locations always change.

[gb387]

Re: So many, many products

Speaking of marketing, Target, Walmart, and other department stores routinely change product location in the hopes that shoppers see something new for an impulse purchase every time they come in.

Meguiar's may have two dozen facings at the Walmart in Cody, but their locations always change.

One thing I don't like about Walmart in the car care section, atleat in my neck of the woods.... once a year the seem to discontinue half of Meguiars products and bring others from Meguiars line in and this seems to go with all car care product brands. Yes its good they are bringing new in but everytime you want to get something you use to get at walmart they nolonger carry it. I will say their selection of products have increased greatly in the last few years.

....anyway

[Graeme]

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I was another who was totally confused about the enormous range of products. I am one of the lucky ones that have and am able to use the internet to research different things. After a quick search I found this site and love it.

But for those that don't have an internet connection Meg's is probably losing them, simply because it is so overwhelming trying to figure out what the right product is.
I really think they should have a booklet that is available from the stores that carry their products, a booklet that explains in a simple easy to understand format. That way the potential customer can quickly and easily understnad and find what they need, without thinking they may have wasted some of their money. It also wouldn't hurt to have a link to this forum printed on the label maybe?

Graeme

[Murr1525]

Re: So many, many products

Wow.. you guys are doing a whole lot of typing.. and yes, I messed up.. I meant to say #82/#9.

[gorin002]

Re: So many, many products

I was another who was totally confused about the enormous range of products. I am one of the lucky ones that have and am able to use the internet to research different things. After a quick search I found this site and love it.

But for those that don't have an internet connection Meg's is probably losing them, simply because it is so overwhelming trying to figure out what the right product is.
I really think they should have a booklet that is available from the stores that carry their products, a booklet that explains in a simple easy to understand format. That way the potential customer can quickly and easily understnad and find what they need, without thinking they may have wasted some of their money. It also wouldn't hurt to have a link to this forum printed on the label maybe?

Graeme

there smal brochure from dutch meguiras
not alll products are available here