Help removing swirls on black truck

[wilsonck]

Hi, I just got my new truck, a 2005 GMC 2500HD and it is Onyx black. I thought I would give it a polish, so I washed it with NXT wash and mitt, used a chamois and dried it good. Then I used my rotary buffer with a 8006 pad and M09 to remove various small scratches and defects. I then went with M07 by hand and was going to finish up with M26 but didn't get there. I only did one side to see how it was working.

After the M09 & M07, I rolled it out into the sun. Just like other people, it looked great in the garage, but had lots of swirl marks in the sun. I thought the M09 was supposed to get rid of them, but I think it put them into the paint as when I bought it, it wasn't full of swirl marks.

I have read tons of posts regarding other people with the same problem, but I am not exactly sure what to do. I bought the Clay, and a new 8006 pad so I was thinking of doing this:

- wash with NXT
- clay
- polish again with M09 on new 8006 pad with rotary buffer
- polish with M07 using rotary buffer - w 8006
- polish with M26 by hand.

Any other ideas, should I pick up the M80 instead of using M09?

[wilsonck]

picture of truck



This was before polishing it. I will have to get some pics of the swirls, but you have seem them in the other pictures posted up here on other cars.

[Mike Phillips]

Re: Help removing swirls on black truck

Originally posted by wilsonck
Then I used my rotary buffer with a 8006 pad and M09 to remove various small scratches and defects.

After the M09 & M07, I rolled it out into the sun. Just like other people, it looked great in the garage, but had lots of swirl marks in the sun.


I thought the M09 was supposed to get rid of them, but I think it put them into the paint as when I bought it, it wasn't full of swirl marks.

For most people, it's close to impossible to produce swirl free results using ONLY a rotary buffer. It has to do with the pad rotating on the paint. The rotary buffer is great at removing defects because it's great at removing paint. The problem is that the direct contact of the rotating pad, plus chemical against what we all know to be Scratch-Sensitive Clear Coat Paints, is enough to leave swirls or holograms.

Use the rotary to remove defects, then follow up with a machine that gets you away from the rotating action of the rotary buffer. The most popular option is a dual action polisher like Meguiar's G100 like the one this little girl is using.

Any other ideas, should I pick up the M80 instead of using M09?

M80 is more aggressive than M09, the problem isn't the product, the problem is the action of the tool and the characteristics of modern paints. Neither are a Meguiar's issue but a tool design and paint manufacturer's issues.

Read these,

Need Help! - How to Avoid Holograms?


How to Avoid Swirls and Holograms?

[Mike Phillips]

Oh yeah...

Welcome to Meguiar's Online!

List 'O Links

Many of the things we cover in our Saturday Classes are discussed and talked about in the threads found in the sub-forums of the Information Station


First read this,

Meguiar's 5-Step Paint Care Cycle


Then read these...

How To Remove Swirls By Hand
How to remove a defect by hand with ScratchX
Using the G-100 to remove swirls with the Professional Line
Circles or Straight Lines?
Which LSP is Best for Light Colors
How to locate Meguiar’s Professional & Detailer products in your hometown
How to tell when a Meguiar's wax is ready to remove - The Swipe Test
The Dual Action Counterweight "Controversy"
What are the Differences Between Meguiar's Waxes
What's the Deal with "Layering"?
Measuring Clear Coat Thickness
Rotary vs. PC vs. Regular Orbital Buffer
Glass Polishing...Deep Cleaning
NXT Tech Wax Cure Time
Suggested Products for Taking Care of a New Car
Colored Waxes - Do they really work?
PC + #83 not "Cutting" it! - The Limits of the Dual Action Polisher
What it Means to Remove a Scratch
Why Meguiar’s Recommends Polishing Paint
A Lesson From White Paint
Each one, teach one... Ferrari Fiorano 355 F1 Spider

[wilsonck]

Hi Mike,

I have read pretty much all of those links and many of them twice. obviously the best thing is for me to get a G100.

So if I get a PC or G100, would you use the M09 with it or go with M80 or perhaps scratchX? and then the waxes?

thanks

[Mike Phillips]

Since you already have M09, give it a try with our W-8006 polishing pad on the 5.0 setting. Work a small section at a time, about 16 to 20 inches squared or thereabout, you have to let the panel be your guide because of it's shape.

If M09 doesn't remove the swirls then get some M80 Speed Glaze.

Once you've dialed in a product/pad/tool to remove the swirls then apply wax using a W-9006 pad.

Read through this and start in at the M80 step, (after the M83 step).


Using the G-100 to remove swirls with the Professional Line