need shopping list !!

[mega]

im new with meguiars products

i have white car and its 5 years old , i feel the paint color tend to very light yellow also there is very fine scratchs


id like to have a list of good products that bring back the orginal shine and color like a new car (or better )

[mega]

important !!!
id like to have products that work by hand , because i dont have electrical machine

[MaximusZTS]

sounds like Color X would be a good start.

[mega]

but do you think i need more products?
like
1-polish commpound
2-polish for swirl and scratch
3-polish ultra fine (final step)
4-wax

for example
first i will use polish commpound than polish for swirl and scratch after that polish ultra fine (final step) and i will end it by waxing the car
?

will Color X do all this ?

i heard that any product that have wax and ploish in the same time not effective like separate products

[Murr1525]

Well, before you go rushing into things, we better give yo ua few links to read over so you get a good idea of the process, and see some of the products.

Meguiar's 5-Step Paint Care Cycle

Step 1 Wash

Step 2 Clean

Step 3 Polish

Step 4 Protect

Step 5 Maintain

Suggested Products for Taking Care of a New Car

What it Means to Remove a Scratch

How To Remove Swirls By Hand

How to remove a defect by hand with ScratchX

and for ColorX at work:

1986 Ford Bronco II - Extreme Makeover

[Mike Phillips]

Originally posted by mega
but do you think i need more products?
like
1-polish compound
2-polish for swirl and scratch
3-polish ultra fine (final step)
4-wax

for example
first i will use polish compound than polish for swirl and scratch after that polish ultra fine (final step) and i will end it by waxing the car

Just to chime in,

When the words, rubbing compound and polishing compound are used people often think of products that are abrasive or scratchy and that's how they remove defects is by removing paint using a gritty type product.


Here at Meguiar's we don't make any products like this, never have, never will. Meguiar's pioneered diminishing abrasive technology starting with our first products for cleaning the clear finish on fine furniture and we've continued in that direction even until today with new improvements and new technology always on the forefront.





So when you post that you want to use a compound to work on your car's paint, we want you to know we do have products that will remove swirls and scratches but they are not anything like old-fashioned rubbing and polishing compounds and we don't want you to make the mistake of using products like these because they will in fact scratch and scour your car's paint.

Instead, Meguiar's paint cleaners like ScratchX and Deep Crystal Paint Cleaner, and our cleaner/waxes like Meguiar's Cleaner/Wax and ColorX, use diminish abrasives and chemical cleaners to clean and remove defects safely.

Please take a moment to click on the link below that Murr1525 has already posted and read the article than thousands of others have read and it will bring you up to speed on the detailing process that Meguiar's has been sharing with their customers for over 100 years.

Meguiar's 5-Step Paint Care Cycle

Step 1 Wash

Step 2 Clean

Step 3 Polish

Step 4 Protect

Step 5 Maintain


We know this will help!

[mega]

Murr1525 thanks for the links


Mike Phillips , nice reply



can pure polish work like caly ?

can i use pure polish every time before waxing my car to clean (like pre -wax) ? is it safe ? for example i waxing my car every month so i will use pure polish 12 time per year ?

now if i polished my car by pure and Cleaner polish and wax my car , what can i do this year ? do i need to use pure and Cleaner polish and wax again after 3 months ? or only wax ? can you give my a simple schedule ?



from step 3 to 4

which is the best Cleaner Polishes ?
which is the best Pure Polishes ?
which is the best wax ?

[Mike Phillips]

Originally posted by mega
can pure polish work like clay ?

No. Only clay really works like clay. If you've never used any before, then we think you'll really like the results you'll get and we recommend you get some and use it after washing your car. Often times clay will remove bonded contaminants that you cannot feel and this will increase gloss.

can i use pure polish every time before waxing my car to clean (like pre -wax) ? is it safe ? for example i waxing my car every month so i will use pure polish 12 time per year ?

A pure polish in Meguiar's line is non-abrasive and non-cleaning, it's for creating gloss and beauty on a finish already in great shape. It's the wrong product for what you want to do. You want to use a paint cleaner or a cleaner wax to clean the paint after claying.

now if i polished my car by pure and Cleaner polish and wax my car , what can i do this year ? do i need to use pure and Cleaner polish and wax again after 3 months ? or only wax ? can you give my a simple schedule ?

Check out the next message posted, and repeat washing and waxing as often as you want to or need to and perform the claying and paint cleaning step when the paint feels bumpy after washing or looks dull and/or swirled and scratched.

[Mike Phillips]

How To Remove Swirls By Hand


The below write-up was taken from page three of this Saturday Detailing Class at Meguiar's where approximately 25 people witnessed the products shown below, applied and removed using the correct techniques to remove the gross rotary buffer swirls and restore a swirl free finish by hand.

San Diego Mercedes-Benz club at Meguiar's!


After selecting two Mercedes-Benz automobiles to work on, one being Tom's, we broke for a pizza lunch. After everyone had their fill of pizza and something cold to drink, it was time to re-gather in Meguiar's Garage to see what we could do with the gross swirls in Tom's recently painted hood.




Often times when the topic of removing swirls is being discussed on our discussion forum, or some other detailing forum, it centers around the dual action polisher, foam buffing pads and somebody's compound or polish. Yet many people don't own a dual action polisher. So here at Meguiar's Garage, we like to show people how to use the what they already own... their hands!



Like most detailing enthusiasts, I personally love a challenge, and with Tom's car, I believe most people would agree, his car's finish presents a challenge!

BEFORE - 700 Pixel-wide cropped out section from an un-touched, original photo of rotary buffer swirls in a clear coat finish.





Using some painters tape, we taped-off a section of the hood to separate the before and after results. Then, we applied three, well worked in applications of Meguiar's ScratchX all applied by hand using Meguiar's High-Tech Applicator Pad






The secret to removing swirls by hand using Meguiar's ScratchX is all in your technique. You see in order to remove swirls out of your car's finish, you need to remove a little bit of paint. If we we're to look at a horizontal view of what gross rotary buffer swirls look like in the paint, it would look something like the diagram below. In order to remove these below surface defects, (swirls), you need to remove enough paint from the finish to level the upper surface with the *****t depths of the swirls until you've restored the finish to a flat, level surface.




To do this by hand with ScratchX, you need to,

• * Apply to a small section at a time
  * First spread the ScratchX evenly over the area you're going to work (before working it in)
  * Work the microscopic diminishing abrasives against the finish applying a little passion behind the applicator pad
  * Repeat this process with multiple applications after first removing the residue from each application after working it against the finish

Remember that Meguiar's paint cleaners, like ScratchX do not need to dry before removing. Drying adds no benefit. The only Meguiar's paint products that need to dry before removing are Meguiar's waxes.

Technique Tip

The question is often asked,

"Which direction should I move my hand when applying a Meguiar's paint cleaner?"

A common mis-conception, often espoused on other discussion forums, or by some car care product manufactures, is the technique of only rubbing a product in a certain direction to keep all of your scratches going in the same direction.

Meguiar's teaches that if the products you're using are non-abrasive, that is they are not instilling scratches into the finish, as such, it shouldn't matter which direction you move your hand!

If the products you're using are inflicting scratches into your car's finish, the correct thing to do is to stop using the product! Don't try to camouflage the scratches to your eyes by instilling them in straight-lines as determined by the movement of your hand.

ScratchX can be applied using straight-lines or circular motion and for this particular demonstration we used a combination of both.

Removing ScratchX using Meguiar's Supreme Shine Microfiber after working the product against the finish until the product has broken down, turned somewhat clear and begun to dissipate.




At Meguiar's Saturday Detailing 101 classes, we go through a power point presentation that covers a wide spectrum of detailing topics, one of which is Meguiar's 5-Step Paint Care Cycle , which includes;

• Step 1 Wash
  Step 2 Clean
  Step 3 Polish
  Step 4 Protect
  Step 5 Maintain

After cleaning the paint with a paint cleaner like ScratchX, we then apply a pure polish, in this case, Deep Crystal Polish which is a non-abrasive pure polish.



In Meguiar's line, we offer two types of polishes, cleaner/polishes, which contain a diminishing abrasive, and pure polishes, which are completely non-abrasive and are used solely for the purpose of creating brilliant gloss. Deep Crystal Polish is a pure polish.



The way you apply a pure polish is akin to applying a skin lotion to your skin. That is you apply the polish to a small section at a time, work the product in thoroughly.



After thoroughly, (but gently with care and passion), remove any excess polish with a clean, soft premium quality microfiber polishing cloth or 100% cotton towel.



Like ScratchX a paint cleaner, it is not necessary to let a pure polish like Deep Crystal Polish dry before removing it. Allowing a polish to dry will not add anything beneficial to the process, so after you work it in well, go a head and remove it.


At this point, we have cleaned and polished the finish. The cleaning step removed the swirls and the polishing step restored optical clarity, depth, reflectivity, richness of color and brilliant gloss. Next we're going to apply a coating of Meguiar's new NXT Generation Tech Wax Paste



NXT Generation Tech Wax Paste is identical to NXT Generation Tech Wax Liquid except that it comes in a paste form. There are two types of paste waxes, the difference is in their consistency. The practical application difference is in how you remove them from the can and then apply them.

With a cleaner/wax (paste), like Meguiar's A12 Meguiar's Cleaner/Wax you can scoop out a small amount and with your applicator pad and then apply it to the finish and work it in.



With paste waxes like Gold Class Clear Coat Wax Paste, M26 Hi Tech Yellow Wax, and NXT Generation Tech Wax Paste, instead of scooping wax out of the can, you can twist, or spin your wax applicator against the wax while it's in the can and this little bit of agitation will help to liquefy the wax and enable it to seep, or penetrate into your applicator pad whereupon making it easier to apply to the finish.





Paste waxes like NXT Tech Generation Wax offer good gliding action and tend to apply very easy. Remember a little bit goes a long ways and it's important to try to apply a uniform, thin coating.



After applying the Tech Wax Paste and allowing it to dry, we removed it using a Supreme Shine Microfiber polishing cloth and the Tom backed his Mercedes-Benz out into the sun where everyone could look at the results and see with their own two eyes what can be accomplished by hand with the right products and the correct techniques.







Here's the owner Tom inspecting closely!



And here I am capturing the results with our Sony Digital which does an excellent job of capture swirls in the sun.




Before



After
















Perfect? No.

dramatically improved? Yes!

Most importantly, we fixed by hand what someone else inflicted with a rotary buffer.

Meguiar's products, applied and removed using the correct techniques will outperform the competition hands down and give your car a swirl-free show car shine!

[Murr1525]

Here is two general processes I use by hand... give them a look over, and you can look up the products to see the descriptions..

"Full Detail"

1. Wash - Gold Class or Nxt Wash are great washes. Remember to use the 2-bucket system and good quality sponges / towels.

2. Clay - Meguiars Smooth Surface Clay System is great.

3. Clean - ScratchX on the swirls, Deep Crystal #1 for in the future when there are no scratches/swirls to remove. ScratchXing a whole car *****, so you might want to break it up over a couple days. As the links showed, ScratchX needs worked in very very well, and 3 - 4 applications at least.

4. Polish - Deep Crystal #2 is a easy to use pure polish.

5. Wax - #21 Synthetic Sealant is my favorite at the moment, but #26 Hi-Tec Tellow, Gold CLass ,and Nxt ae all great choices.

6. Wax - Remember 2 thin coats is best.


"Quick Detail"

1. Wash - as above

2. Clay - as needed

3. ColorX

4. Wax - I like to top ColorX with a coat of #21.

Hope that gives you some ideas, now that you have read a little background about the process...

[mega]

Mike Phillips good job !!


Murr1525 nice list
so
my list will be


1. Clay Meguiars

2. ScratchX

3. Deep Crystal System Paint Cleaner

4. 21 Synthetic Sealant


but which Deep Crystal you mean ?
there is
Deep Crystal System Polish

http://www.meguiars.com/?car-polishes/Deep-Crystal-System-Polish

Deep Crystal System Paint Cleaner

http://www.meguiars.com/?auto-paint-cleaners/Deep-Crystal-System-Paint-Cleaner

4. Wax - I like to top ColorX with a coat of #21.

do you think #21 will remove colorX ?
because i heard that the new wax will remove old wax


Mike Phillips do you like the list ?

[Mike Phillips]

Originally posted by mega
1. Clay Meguiar's
2. ScratchX
3. Deep Crystal System Paint Cleaner
4. 21 Synthetic Sealant

We would recommend opting for our NXT Tech Wax as it is a synthetic wax that you can purchase in an 18ounce bottle, the M21 must be purchased in 64 ounce jugs, but it's up to you.

but which Deep Crystal you mean and what is the difference between them?

If you're using ScratchX as your paint cleaner, then you don't need a second paint cleaner like the Deep Crystal paint cleaner.

If you're working on white paint, the visual benefit of polishing with a pure polish will not be apparent, you can if you like but one of the primary benefits of polishing with a pure polish is how great it makes your paint look but this mostly applies to dark colors as white and light colors just don't show that much of a difference. It's still good for the paint, that's why we call it an optional step.

The difference is one cleans, one adds gloss, clarity and richness of color.

do you think #21 will remove ColorX ? because i heard that the new wax will remove old wax

Meguiar's teaches the philosophy of diminishing returns, that is two coats of wax will leave more protection on the surface than a single application, but after the third application you will have hit a plateau and the surface of your car's paint will not hold any more wax. At his point it's time to stop applying wax and enjoy the results.

Mike Phillips do you like the list ?

See Meguiar's recommendations above.

[Murr1525]

I sense there is a little confusion still....

Different companies use different terminologies to describe different products.

You are using the word polish and cleaner interchangeably, and as Mike said with 'old-fashioned' products, this was often true, and some comapnies still use the words this way. Some products, like Nu-Finish, actualy use 'polish' to refer to a cleaner/wax. So you have ot get the hang of what each company means.

With Meguiars, they actualy mean completly different things.

Cleaner - This is a product, or step in the process, that removes dirt from down in the pores of the paint, and with many products contains diminishing abrasives that will allow different levels of swirl removal.

Polish - This is a product that uses different oils, etc to fill in the tiny pores of the paint, and give a better gloss, reflection, and replace some of the oils lost from older paint.

Wax - This is a product that puts a protective sacrificial barrier over the paint, and seals in the polishing oils until the wax wears off.

Cleaner/Polsih - This is a product that contains ingrediants that do each of cleaning and polishing steps.

Cleaner/Wax - While called a cleaner/wax, this is better called a "cleaner/polish/wax" and contains ingrediants that can do all 3 steps.

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Isnt #21 available in the smaller sizes now? Or was that delayed?

[mega]

if im not wrong there is 16 oz
M2116 ..........16 oz. (473ml) (M2116 Synthetic Sealant) $19.00

http://www.meguiars.com/?pro-liquid-car-waxes/Synthetic-Sealant

If you're using ScratchX as your paint cleaner, then you don't need a second paint cleaner like the Deep Crystal paint cleaner.

ScratchX = Deep Crystal paint cleaner
but different container?

[Murr1525]

Both ScratchX and Deep Crystal #1 Cleaner are cleaners.

However, Deep Crystal Cleaner is an inexpensive, very easy to use, work in, wipe off cleaner. It is mostly chemical, with some mild abrasives. It is not going to remove much swirls by hand on most cars. It is mostly to remove dirt and light oxidation.

ScratchX is more agressive, with more of the diminishing abasives, to allow you to remove swirls by hand. However, it does take a lot more effort. You have to really work it into the surface, with multiple applications to remove swirls.