total swirl removal with the rotary alone ??

[chip douglas]

I'd really like to know whether the rotary alone can remove *all* of them swirls ? I've asked numerous people to get as good and accurate an idea as possible, and now I'm asking it here, hoping Mike will chime in. I've been told by guys with 14 years of experience with the rotary that it's impossible to remove *all* swirls using only the rotary. Howver, another chimed in and said that he has ten years experience using the rotary, and says he can produce swirl free finish, or near swirl free. If that is so, I really wonder what technique they use


Anyone with experience using the rotary, please chime in, I'd really appreciate that.

Best...

[DETLMAN]

You can absolutly remove 100% of the swirls with a rotary in most cases. There will be times when you cant but on the same hand there shoud be no buffer marks left behind.

I have been at this for 10 years and can definatly produce a swirl free finish on a black car with the rotary only. I usually do follow up with the pc and some polish to be absolutly positive that the finish is to its maximum.

If someone is using a buffer and they tell you they cant produce a swirl free finish I would definatly question their ability with the rotary.

Look through some of the threads on here and check out the black BMW that superior shine buffed out or the maybach I did a while back. All black and swirl free!

[Tim Lingor]

Hey Chip,

Hang on there. I said to you that it was difficult on *some* paints but not impossible to remove all swirls with a rotary alone. On some paints that are very soft, you may very well need to use a PC to make your life a whole lot easier. But, it still can be done with a rotary with a LOT of practice, patience, and experience. But when a paint is that soft, I avoid the aggravation and move on to the PC for the finishing steps.

But with the harder paints, you can remove all the swirls with just a rotary. But, many Pros do use a PC after the rotary just to make sure.

Tim

[chip douglas]

I wonder what I could possibly doing wrong, as I have to find out. I'm very demanding to myself and will learn willy nilly .

I spin the rotary round 1100-1800 depending on the product, clean my pads after each panel, aplly light to medium pressure, move the buffer slowly on the fisnish and keep the pad flat all the time, unless when doing curved areas. I use cross hatch pattern or figure 8's.

I really don't see what it is I'm doing wrong, honestly.

2Hotford, sorry bud, I've been a real pain these recents days.....Im not reasonable at times....my apologies.

Best regards

Marc

[Jimmy Buffit]

The rotary buffer is an important tool, and can remove essentially all surface defects, given the proper pad and polish combination.

Having said that, the rotary is capable of leaving its own minor 'swirl' maks. Many of us followup with a fine polish, polishing pad, on the PC. Lighting in a shop can't duplicate a sunny day (oh, we try!).

I noticed (in briliant sunlight) minor swirls on my own black car today, after a quick wash and QD. My car with swirls???! Who's got time?

Jim

[chip douglas]

One thing makes me wonder at times : if one doesn't wipe off after buffing using QD or water/alcohol, then he/she might not see swirls marks that are still there. In my case if after ive used 83 or 82, it looks awesome, even in the full sun, but if I wipe it off, with QD, it's another story altogether.

Further, for some swirl free is really that, but for some who started out with a heavily swirled finish, they may claim none is left while some remains, but as opposed to what it used to be, they may find the finish is perfect.

All don't have the same standards, although on this forum, many prolly have .

Could it only be that it is a repaint ?? Repaint are prolly much softer paints, and that maybe why I'm having such a hellish time with it.

[Tim Lingor]

Hey Chip,

Here is another thread where the poster is having the same issues with the rotary:

http://www.meguiarsonline.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1453

Just a little more info!

Tim

[chip douglas]

Thanks 2hotford,

that post by Mike was useful indeed. Again I hope I ahven't abused your kindness too much...as I've said at times I'm overboard, but sure doesn't wish to annoy anyone willing to help me out.

I noticed that Mike did wrote that with some paint, some very very light swirls will remain, and this If I got it right is considered a perfect finish. That is why I say for some, a swirl free finish is not 100% swirl free....does that make sense ?

Take care and thanks a bundle for your patience, as I'm quite demanding of others at times.

Sincerely

Marc