So I got sick of everybody saying 80 has lots of "fillers" LOTS OF PICS INSIDE

[TH0001]

I was Bimmerforums.com and somebody kept saying that 80 works great, but ALL it does is fill in the swirls. I think this misinformation started with autopia.org. So I decieded to put it to the test. I know Mike Phillips had done a similar test, but I really wanted to see for myself.

2000 Black GMC Jimmy

Products Used:

Hitachi rotary
Meguiars W4000 wool pad
Meguiars G100 PC
Meguiars M8006 polishing pad
Meguiars NXT Speed Detailier
Meguiars NXT Window Cleaner
Simple Green dilluted about 10:1
2 Alcohol Pads
Meguiars #80 Speed Glaze


Here is the passanger front corner of the hood of my Jimmy before I began any work...



Here is the same area after I blocked of a rough 2 foot by 1 1/2 foot section with 3M blue painters tape.



As you can see the paint was in pretty good shape, so I need to put some swirl marks in it quickly. I used my Hitachi rotary armed with a Meguiars 4000 wool pad. I did not use any polish on the rotary. However, I did spritz the area lightly with speed detailer to provided small amounts of lubrication to keep from burning the paint. I made to "dry" passes at 2000 RPM!!!!!!



Here are the afters, in various lighting. Definetly swirled up..









I then decieded to correct as much as I could using Meguiars #80 Speed glaze and my PC. I made TWO total applications over the entire swirled area to remove as much defects as possible. I have had good luck removing defects (sometimes serious ones) with #80, but I certaintly didn't expect it to all of the heavy marring I installed in the paint from the wool pad.



Remember I made two total applications using speed five. I moved my arm slowly (about 2 inches a second) using overlapping strokes and worked the product for about two minutes. Then I wiped clean and did the final application in the same way



Here are the afters. The Speed Glaze was able to remove/hide 95% of the Wool induced swirls!!!!!!!!!! This from a mild cleaner polish. But are they hidden or removed?????

[TH0001]

To find out if was the abbrasive action or the "fillers" that removed the defects, I taped off the top section of the rectangle. This would be my baseline.



Then I sprayed the bottom section with NXT window cleaner twice and wiped clean after each application with a microfiber.

Then I sprayed the area twice with simple green and wiped the area clean after each application. Proof of me putting Simple Green on my paint!



Then I wiped the section down use IPA swipes (which my dumbass but some light, straight line scratches into my paint because of the rough nature of the swipes themselves, but atleast you know I'm not faking)



I did notice that the bottom section became noticably duller in appearnce because of the removal of the trade mark polishing oils. But what do you expect after you wipe your paint with window cleanerX2, simple greenX2, and IPA?

So after these harsh treatments, you woud figure that any fillers would be long gone. So did some of the swirling return, or did the abbrasive action permantely remove them?

Drum roll please...


In this picture you can even see one of the light scratches from the alcohol swipe...



BUT NO SWIRLING!!!!!!!!! NOTHING.

Some more afters before we draw our conclusion...









vs. the test section...



I would say that Meguiars #80 ELIMINATES swirls and doesn't fill them in (although it may have some masking abbilites).

The surface came out flawless, even after being wiped down with harsh chemicals....

Draw your own conclusions, but I think I proved my point

[gb387]

nice little demonstration, not sure but maybe the ones who say it fills the scratches are using improper washing techniques install swirls again?

I have had very good luck with #80 removing swirls.

[RDVT4ME]

Great write-up!

[Mike Phillips]

Hi TH0001,

Thank you for taking the time to investigate for yourself and document for all those others what Meguiar's has been teaching for decades and that's how to remove swirls, not merely fill them in.

The problem on other car detailing forums, or the car detailing sub-forums on theme-based discussion forums is you have a few uniformed people posting miss-information and the rest of the community either doesn't know these people are ignorant or don't want to take the time to correct them.

The topic of Fillers is so old and worn out but as long as there are self-proclaimed detailing gurus with keyboards there will always be misinformation being posted to showcase their lack of knowledge and understanding.

The topic comes up so often that anyone reading this thread can find the definitive thread on Fillers here,


Question about #80 - Does it contain heavy fillers?


And from page 2 of this thread, here's the post I made discussing and showing the results from M80 after a chemical wipe down in direct sun.

Originally posted by Mike Phillips on Sep 13th, 2005 at 03:34 PM
Besides product selection and other factors such as paint hardness and the depth of the defects you're trying to remove, two more factors that have a very important direct effect as to whether or not a product performs appropriately are the knowledge level and skill level of the person doing the work.

You can give two people the same products and tools, divide the panel of a car in half, letting each one work on one half of the panel and when they both are finished get two results, one person producing flawless results, the other mediocre results...

The difference was in the persons skills and abilities... just remember that when you're on other forums reading opinions... We all start out as beginners, so it's completely normal to not start right out of the shoot getting professional results especially when a person is using products formulated for Professionals, (M80 Speed Glaze is formulated for use by Professionals in the Collision Repair Industry, not for consumers and enthusiasts), this means there is an expectation of a higher degree of skill and knowledge in order to get good results.

So we're not knocking anyone that didn't get the results they hoped for and instead of looking inward at themselves they looked outward and put the blame on the product, we're just saying to remember to consider the source.


Just to recapp... from the first page,

Just to piggyback on what Aurora40 posted, correctly used, our cleaner/polishes like the M80 Speed Glaze remove swirls and scratches, they don't merely fill them in. Part of using a Meguiar's cleaner/polish correctly is choosing the correct product for the job, the other part is to work the product long enough to ensure all of the diminishing abrasives have been broken down.

I purposefully instilled swirls into the hood of our black Pilot and then using only M80 Speed Glaze with our W-8006 foam polishing pad on our G100 dual action polisher I machine cleaned the swirls out of the paint.

I then wiped the hood down with All Purpose Plus Cleaner followed by a strong solution of our Glass Cleaner in the Professional Line, followed by washing the hood with a detergent dish washing soap and then rinsed with water.

I think most people would agree that the above cleaning process will have successfully removed anything left on the finish by the M80 Speed Glaze.

I then moved the Pilot into the driveway in such a was as to capture the sun reflecting off the hood.



The swirls were completely removed, not filled in. The finish actually looked great, as though it had been waxed, yet it had just been tortured with two harsh chemicals and a detergent wash. I'm always impressed at the results that can be achieved with M80 Speed Glaze. When applied correctly, it leaves the finish clear, glassy and perfect for applying a Meguiar's wax.

[sneek]

hehe now we have showed them all! muhahaha j/k

good demo I tried the same kinda thing but on one side I used #20. The #20 must have actually removed some swirls because when I used windex to wipe it down the swirls were less noticable