Heavy dust with #83

[Tuningfreak]

I started today my first makeover of a car with a PC similar machine (german model, called FESTOOL rotex). The hood was full of swirls and small scratches but not in bad condition (car is 1 1/2 years old and completely detailed with meguiars products only!).

After 2 passes with #83 on 8006 pad (new one, never used) I removes around 80-90% of the scratches and nearly 100% of swirls. I still need some training but its working better and better.

My main problem is now, that the #83 creates heavy dust! I dont understand why because I read from all sided that there is no or only much less dust with this product. Usually if I use some pressure (like instructed here in forum) its more dust, if I only hold the machine onto the paint, its less dust. There are also some small "worms" of product, looks e.g. like small particles of a clay...

I tried now any method, longer buffing, shorter buffing, cleaning the pad first with water (1 day before), then removing dry product rest on the edges of the pad with a small brush etc... dust comes back after seconds.

I also gave the #80 a try, but there is also dust - not so much like with #83, but it is....

Any idea where this comes from? Its horrible to see the nice looking surface with a lot of dust...

[Mister B]

I've found with #83 that I need to clean the pad often. When I am using #83, I usually hold a towel to the pad and turn the G100 on and work the towel over the pad after each application to cut down on the build up of product onto the pad.

[Tuningfreak]

thanks B! I read that somewhere here before... You mean after each pass (or after a few passes) you always do this clean up? I a super terry towel suiatable for this step?

[Mister B]

I usually clean the pad after I am done applying and fully working in the product to a small section. I still get dust, but I try to minimize it as much as possible by cleaning the pad often.

Yes, the Super Terry Towel will work fine for cleaning the pad.

[Tuningfreak]

thanks again. I will try that... sound like much extra work, but if it will help - OK. On which speed you set the PC during cleaning? 1?

[Mister B]

It can not hurt to try it.

I used Speed 5 to clean the pad. The same setting that I applied the product with.

[sneek]

I don't usually have dusting problems with a 8006. Occasionally there is some dust, but I wouldn't describe it as heavy. The only time I've ever had dusitng problems with 83 is when I used it with a LC orange pad

[Mike Phillips]

Originally posted by Mister B
I've found with #83 that I need to clean the pad often.

This is key. Most people don't clean their pad often enough. If you're running into any type of problem with any product the first thing to do is to clean your pad, and then start cleaning your pad after each section, or after each application of fresh product. At the Saturday classes and the Wednesday night classes I make it a point to bring peoples attention to the fact that I'm cleaning my pad after each section, or after each application of product for the purpose of teaching people to clean their pad often.

(Often times in a group setting people will be chatting and having fun, that's okay, but I don't want the little things like cleaning a pad often to escape their attention).

Perceptive people pick-up on this without my pointing it out. When I detail cars professionally, I always, always, always clean my pad often. The time it takes doesn't matter because the goal is worthy of the effort and the goal is a swirl-free, show car finish, so you do whatever it takes to reach the goal.

[clark_carty]

Do you guys use this plastic cleaning brush at all or just the towels, or both?

[Tuningfreak]

Okay, I tried to clean the pad after EACH pass. I first tried the super terry: Hold a straight edge, pressing hard against the edges of the pad (where I see all the dry product rest!) and turned on the buffer. The dust was flying!!! I did it in different positions, edges, middle of pad etc until no more dust was coming and then started the next pass.

Result was the same: After ca. 20-40 seconds of buffing the dust and "worms" where coming! Then I took an old (but clean) sock (good champions! *g*) and tried the cleaning process again. Much more dust was flying away... but result was the same again. Dust, dust, dust. I attached a picture AFTER i started to clean the pad after each pass.... it looks horrible in my eyes, maybe its normal but I dont believe.

THIS IS THE LINT OF ONE PASS WITH THE BUFFER! Buffing aroun 40 seconds, area of 40x40cm...



Only 2 things came in my mind:
1) Cleaning process is still bad or wrong
2) The pad is "full" of product rests.... Question btw: How many pads should I use for 1 car??? I thought 1 for each product would be ok....

PLEASE HELP ME!!!!!!!!!

[Mike Phillips]

Originally posted by clark_carty
Do you guys use this plastic cleaning brush at all or just the towels, or both?

Those pad cleaning brushes work great when the pad is on a rotary buffer, but they are not very effective when the pad is on the dual action polisher.

[Magic]

Originally posted by Tuningfreak


Only 2 things came in my mind:
1) Cleaning process is still bad or wrong
2) The pad is "full" of product rests.... Question btw: How many pads should I use for 1 car??? I thought 1 for each product would be ok....

PLEASE HELP ME!!!!!!!!!

One pad is good for the most part. But I think that you may have over-saturated the pad, and no amount of towel cleaning will help. Either wash the pad your working on and dry (start over again), or try a brand new pad (if available).

[Mike Phillips]

Originally posted by Tuningfreak
Okay, I tried to clean the pad after EACH pass. I first tried the super terry: Hold a straight edge, pressing hard against the edges of the pad (where I see all the dry product rest!) and turned on the buffer. The dust was flying!!! I did it in different positions, edges, middle of pad etc until no more dust was coming and then started the next pass.

Result was the same: After ca. 20-40 seconds of buffing the dust and "worms" where coming! Then I took an old (but clean) sock (good champions! *g*) and tried the cleaning process again. Much more dust was flying away... but result was the same again. Dust, dust, dust. I attached a picture AFTER i started to clean the pad after each pass.... it looks horrible in my eyes, maybe its normal but I dont believe.

THIS IS THE LINT OF ONE PASS WITH THE BUFFER! Buffing aroun 40 seconds, area of 40x40cm...



Only 2 things came in my mind:
1) Cleaning process is still bad or wrong
2) The pad is "full" of product rests.... Question btw: How many pads should I use for 1 car??? I thought 1 for each product would be ok....

PLEASE HELP ME!!!!!!!!!

A couple of things,

First a question, are you buffing until the product dries and then dusts?

Second a comment, whether it's dust, or worms, just residue, at some level this is normal or at least okay, you're going wipe this off and then go to the next step.



How many pads? depends on how heavy you're using product and the needs of the paint, two polishing pads should do most cars, more for larger cars or really bad paint, there is not set rule, it's what you can get away with.

Cleaning pads thoroughly and effectively is hard by the way.

[Tuningfreak]

Hey Mike.

I did like you said. I wiped all worms / dust away. But its so much, that it now hangs into the window frames, all gaps etc - I got lost af the most with the meguiars slide lock, but you cant reach every area...

Ok, regarding the pad qtty - I used only 1 pad. Maybe this was one reason...

First a question, are you buffing until the product dries and then dusts?

I think thats my worst problem. I think I still dont realize when product is ready to wipe off. I read a lot of threads about, but I dont understand how I see the point when the product is ready to wipe off... Sometimes its hard to remove, sometimes its easy like wiping off the NXT wax....

Also, I couldnt find an information which amount of product on the pad is OK.... I think the following sample is too much for an 40x40cm area?

[Mike Phillips]

Hard to say without being there in person...

After you apply your initial X of product on the pad, you can and in most cases cut down on product use. When first starting out and your pad is dry the full X on the face of a pad is a good idea because the pad is dry. Once you've broken the pad in then you cut down on product use. Maybe you're using too much?

40cm or 15 inches square is about right.