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A word of caution, do not be tempted to use household cleaning products for automotive cleaning as they are formulated for very different purposes and could cause damage. Avoid any products that contain bleach, ammonia or harsh detergents as they usually also contain high levels of sodium.
I’ve found that most quality polymer sealants are resistant to Dawn dish washing liquid (I'm still convinced it's a product recommended by a Z company until they've formulated their own paint cleaner)
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Experience unshared; is knowledge wasted…/ Jon
justadumbarchitect * so I question everything *
Originally posted by tommy81569 I'll keep those products in mind.
Doesn't applying #83 DACP with an PC remove the old wax also?
Yes, #83 will also remove wax. But, the objective here is to use the least aggressive product to remove swirls first and only resort to more aggressive products as needed. Paint coatings are paper thin and you can't just continually jump to #83 for long before you have removed your clear coat. That's why I start my details with MPPC then evaluate the surface. If the finish is in good shape you may then jump right to a polish like #7 or #81. In fact after I have optimized my paint finish that is all that is usually needed for maintenance for nearly a year if I am careful about not causing swirls.
That is what I am trying to accomplish. I want to get the surface in the right condition to perform maintenance only and buff out only when needed.
I'm not sure if I can keep the surface swirl free, but I am sure going to try. I haven't ever used anything on the surface for washing except a lambs wool wash mit and microfiber towels.
My best guess is when I bought the car, it was at night, and the dealer had someone wipe it down before I drove it home. It was in January and the dew had settled and it was close to their closing time so you know they didn't wash and detail it. Plus, it was a showroom car, so only God knows how many times it was wiped down before I bought it.
Thanks a lot for all of your help. Its nice to know when you have questions, there is a fast and easy place to go to get answers.
I've read that MPPC contains abrasives. I’ve also read that MPPC is just under DACP in aggressiveness. If that is the case, I'm not sure MPPC is the best choice for just cleaning paint for the purpose of inspecting the condition of the finish and not doing any correcting/polishing.
Can anyone tell me where MPPC would fit on the aggressiveness scale between #83, #82, #9 v.2.0?
If someone were looking to just clean the surface to remove old wax and inspect the surface finish, wouldn't just using DC #1 from the consumer line be the approach to take since it's Meguiar's least aggressive paint cleaner and uses chemicals only and no abrasives?
Maybe Mike can chime in to accurately place MPPC on an abrasiveness scale but I like it for the purpose of removing old wax, oxidation and embedded road grime. I've used it for years for that purpose and don't feel it is overly aggressive. DC1 is definitely a more gentle product IMO, but I like MPPC for it's combination of cleaners and light abrasives. I guess what I'm trying to say is that it works well for me and I use it often.
It is difficult for me to place MPPC on a scale since it responds differently based on how it is applied, (i.e. by hand, by PC, what pad?, etc.), and it's effective use of chemical cleaners. I usually apply MPPC with a PC and a polishing pad and feel it is more aggressive than DC1 and maybe about like #9, but that is mostly a gut feel. I don't think it is that close to DACP's aggressiveness.
Thanks for the reply and understanding that I wasn't questioning what is working for you. I'm looking at possibly buying some MPPC also as my overall paint cleaner and use #82 or #82 as need just as you have developed your process.
However, as I stated in my previous post, I've read it can be abrasive, which sort of scared me away from it for use on a new car. I think you are absolutely correct that the application material (foam/terry) and/or method (hand or PC) vary how abrasive the product may be.
The process I ended up using was clay, DC #1, #81, NXT. I wanted to use a paint cleaner to get as clean a surface as possible on a new finish and felt comfortable with DC #1 as I have very few swirls yet and didn't want to use anything abrasive.
I'd like to stay in the professional line (except NXT) and thought MPPC would be a good overall paint cleaner until I read some posts on this forum that made me hesitate about using it on a new finish.
Mike, the sharing of your knowledge of MPPC would be greatly appreciated!
I just love to shout about my happiness with MPPC, and I didn't give any thought that you were questioning what works for me. We all have our favorites and that is the way it is supposed to be. There are a lot of "right" products for us to choose from. Like wine, there are many great wines and some people like cabernet some merlot.
FWIW, I think you have got a good combination going.
Another point. I like to share what works for me and the techniques I use as do others here. That is one of the great things about this forum, we all learn from each other. This is one of the finest detailing communities on the Internet IMHO. We all have the same thing in common, our love for a shiny, head-turning ride.
Choices are good and Meguiar's provides a lot of choices with their product line. It's a little confusing at first, but by reading this forum, everyone sharing their knowledge and getting my questions answered, I've learned the basics of the product line very quickly!
I agree with you that this is one of the best car care forums on the Internet. I enjoy Autopia as well, but there's some with "elitist" attitudes over there that can be a turn off and then you have the "Z" guys. As we agree, choice is good! (Just thought I'd throw that in again if any of the above are reading this)
I know the DC #1 will be a short-lived product in my process. But for $5 and chemical cleaning only and no abrasives, I just felt that was the proper product to use on my new car finish. I've already been using #83 and #82 on my older cars and have experienced outstanding results!
With what I've learned here and other forums regarding washing and drying technique's, hopefully I'll keep the swirl marks at bay, but I also know I will need to use my #82/#83 eventually on the new car. Keeping with the "use the least aggressive product first" philosophy, I'd still like to know where MPPC fits in on the abrasiveness scale between #83, #82, and #9 v 2.0.
This goes back to trying to list Meguiar's compounds, paint cleaners and cleaner/polishes in some type of list according to their aggressiveness level.
It's pretty much impossible to do because of different variables involved such as,
Application method - Rotary buffer, Orbital Polisher, Hand Application material - Wool cutting pad to soft foam wax applicators Paint Type - Clear coat, non-clear coat Paint hardness
And a host of other variables like pressure, time worked, skill, technique, etc.
Medallion Premium Paint Cleaner contains both diminishing abrasives and chemical cleaners. It was formulated for single stage finishes, but it can be used on clear coats. #83 DACP is no a paint cleaner technically, but a cleaner/polish which is a product typically used after a compound or paint cleaner.
#83 is formulated for use with clear coat paint technology but can be used on single stage finishes as well. I'm sure it uses a different type of diminishing abrasive than the MPPC.
For the most part, for cleaning paint and removing defects, MPPC will be more aggressive by hand on single stage finishes than #83 DACP.
Which product will be more aggressive by machine will depend on the machine, the application material and the paint type. There is no way to say one product will aways do a better job over the other product because there are two many variables. Because #83 is a cleaner/polish, it will tend to leave behind a nicer, more beautiful finish over the MPPC
Hope this helps...
Mike
Mike Phillips 760-515-0444 showcargarage@gmail.com "Find something you like and use it often"
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