Problem driving me Nuts

[carolinajoe]

Here is what I have.
Black Cadi Eldorado, Black Fiero and Charcoal Metallic TrailBlazer.

All symptoms are the same, so please don't think it is paint because the odds of all 3 vehicles having Bad paint is next to NIL.
The Fiero is always garaged.

Here is what I used then after this I started noticing the spots, they were not there before this.
Wash with DC
Clay
#80,
#21 followed with NXT.
Applied with PC, NXT applied by hand removed with PC

Noticed the spots the next day.

Here is what I used the 2nd time on the Fiero for a car show on Saturday, I did all this Friday and finished it at 8PM
Wash with DC
#83 w/PC
#80 w/PC
then followed by NXT, by hand then removed with PC.

Saturday morning the spots were there again. They seemed to be more prominent as the day wore on.
I tried some quik detailer and it did nothing to remove them.
It looks great when I am done with the car and the spots are not seen, but like I said within 12 hours they were back. Almost look like measles and are speadng to all the other cars.


Description of spots as I know the pics make it look like water spots but they aren't.
They almost look like a grease ring, some are smaller than others too and are all over the car not just in one section.I just washed the Cadi today and they don't come off with just a wash but am putting it in the garage and gonna try something different tomorrow.
So please Help me out here.
Mike did see them at the Clinic here in Tampa.



These are the products I have available to use
#1, #2, #9, #21, #80, #82, #83, #85, NXT & Gold Class

I have a customer thats wanting me to detail there F150 Black but I have put it on hold until I can figure out what the heck is going on as this is driving me nuts, and I wouldn't want the same results on his truck that are on my vehicles

[Steve02SLT]

Not an answer to your problem, but I just noticed the same thing on my fiancee's tC when I was washing it. I washed with GC, dried the entire car w/ MF cloth, then QD'd everything. It looked perfect after I QD'd it, but I do windows last, and when I was wiping the cleaner off the windows I noticed these weird little spots. Its only on the hatch/trunk lid, directly behind the rear window, and extends maybe 3 inches at most. They aren't anywhere else on the car, except the trunk. Does anyone know what will remove these marks? Mine look almost like a large gold flake...if you can imagine that.

[the3dwizard]

I would tape off an area or two and then try removing the marks with #80 in one area and DC1 in another. Don't do anything else to them and see if the marks come back. If the marks do not come back then apply NXT to one area and #21 to the other. It might tell you if the wax is the problem or something else.

[carolinajoe]

Originally posted by the3dwizard
I would tape off an area or two and then try removing the marks with #80 in one area and DC1 in another. Don't do anything else to them and see if the marks come back. If the marks do not come back then apply NXT to one area and #21 to the other. It might tell you if the wax is the problem or something else.

Thanks I was thinking something on that line too. (Wax)
I will try it in the A.M and let you know the results.

[xfactor]

spots

im having the same problem on my black neon. The car looks great after polishing and wax, but the next day spots just appear. I've tried 21 and nxt and got the the same results with both. I would like to know why this is also?

[carolinajoe]

Well this is what I have come up with so far.
It appears to be the #80 may be the culprit.
I did the hood with #80 followed by #21
I did the trunk with just the #21

The hood had those little circle/spots things pop right back up within 8 hours.
The trunk is holding well with NO circles/spots.(yet)

I am getting pretty disgusted though as now it appears there is a slight film on the hood and the trunk. It wipes off with the MF easily but now what is going on with this?? You can take your finger and when you wipe it you can see where your finger was and it feels almost oily.
The car was removed from the garage and in the sun for about 3 hours and this is when the haze,film has showed up.
Does humidity cause this problem as I have ever had this happpen before?

Almost at the point of trying a different brand and see if I end up with the same problems.
It's a shame as I have invested alot of $$$ into the Meguiar's products to make the cars look great and now I seem to have more problems now compared to when I use to use Zymoil or Mother's.

I have to have this figured out as I have another Car Show to go to on Saturday and I don't want the paint to end up like it did last Saturday at the Show. How embarassing that was, looked good then as the day progressed the spots started multiplying like crazy.

[JG_Detailing]

I have the same mark's on the spoiller of my car.

[xfactor]

spots

anyone out there have any info about this problem

[carolinajoe]

Well looks like it was the #80
causing the problem.
No problems with the #21 followed by NXT

So can someone answer why the #80 would do this???
Is it Bad or out-dated???
Could it be a Bad Batch as there are others on here with the same smptoms and problems???

[carolinajoe]

Originally posted by carolinajoe
Well looks like it was the #80
causing the problem.
No problems with the #21 followed by NXT

So can someone answer why the #80 would do this???
Is it Bad or out-dated???
Could it be a Bad Batch as there are others on here with the same smptoms and problems???

Disregard that last post.
THE SPOTS ARE BACK

I am sick of this and I am calling it quits with the Meguiars products. I will post everything I have for sale in the Sale section.

I thought I would've gotten some more responses and ideas on what to try to cure this but really haven't had any.
The post has had 0ver 450 views and only 1 suggestion.

I have had quite a few ppl contact me that they are experiencing the same problem and are asking me for updated results.

I have tried quite a few different things and still have not gotten to the bottom of the problem?? There are to many other car care products out there that hopefully will turn out better than what I am dealing with now.
I can't believe that No one else has had this happen and fixed it/figured it out??

The car is in the garage most of the time, maybe take it out a couple times a week. But,, it really ***** when you have to wash it and then detail it constantly to get rid of those spots.
How embarrassing it is when someone asks what the spots are, and there is no answer to give.

Nice chating with some of you and Good Luck to all.

[rednblack]

Zaino?

[RedSoxRacer]

Looks like those are pretty bad water spots that you did not get rid of. In the first pic you can still see some cobwebbing in the paint, so I would guess you did not use the products correctly, or you need to get a little more agressive with it. If those little cobwebs dont come out with what you are using, the heavy water spots wont either.
A cleaner polish or wax would not create that type of mark on your paint.

[carolinajoe]

Originally posted by rednblack
Zaino?

That may be my next thing I will try. I wonder if they set-up a booth at the Hot Rod Power Tour. I would like to get a sample and try it out.

Originally posted by RedSoxRacer
Looks like those are pretty bad water spots that you did not get rid of. In the first pic you can still see some cobwebbing in the paint, so I would guess you did not use the products correctly, or you need to get a little more agressive with it. If those little cobwebs dont come out with what you are using, the heavy water spots wont either.
A cleaner polish or wax would not create that type of mark on your paint.

I wish they were just water spots, but they aren't.
The Fiero is a new paint job and the pics I showed are of the Cadi. Both cars are garage kept and are not outside when the sprinklers are on. Both cars were done with the Rotary first, well the Cadi only half as the Rotary was smoking.(Garbage)
I will give a short of what is happening.
The spots come out, but totally gone after detail.
Shortly after 12 hours when using the #80, 21 & NXT the little spots come back.
Last time used the #21 and then NXT, took alittle longer to come back but they are there again 5-7 days.
I do appreciate your input RedSoxRacer atleast we are throwing some ideas around. Whats weird is how can this be happening to 3 vehicles 04 Trailblazer (Dark Grey), 01 Eldorado (Black) and 86 Fiero (Black).

[flipper]

They look like water spots to me. It sounds to me that when you apply the prduct to the car the spots are just hiding and as the product cures they become visable again due to evaperation. I also had a bad time with water spots at one time but then again I did know what I was doing just me $.02

[zr123]

Have you tried calling Meguiar's directly? They have a toll free line available 6 days a week to help solve problems. I'm unable to access the main site, but once I am, I'll post the number for you.