Envoy paint very hard?

[RLdetail]

I had a '04 GMC Envoy dropped off to me last friday and it looked like someone washed it with sandpaper!!

I tried #83/8006 on the da and after 2 or 3 passes it basically did very little. So then I went to the rotary and same pad compound. Made a little bit of difference after 2 passes but still not much. Then switched to 7006/84 on rotary and it took out some of the lighter marks but left the deeper ones. Not having a wool pad I tried #85 with the 7006 and slowed the speed down to about 1200 and it took out the deeper marks. But then I had to go to #83/8006 and make 2 passes to take out the swirls!

Now the part that made no sense, I tried the da with #83/8006 and it showed more swirls but they were not tight swirls but well spaced out swirls if that makes sense. After 3 passes with the da, the swirls were less but there appeared to be what you guys refer to is micro marring. I have never had this problem before and it also did this with the 8006/#80. So then I went back to the rotary and there are no swirls.

This is all stuff that is very light and I can and have taken out of other cars with the da and #80/8006 except for a few spots that were lightly deeper. I was going to try #80 with the rotary but I ran out of pads!! I need to order some more I guess!

Is there a reason for this?
Is this the hard but scratch sensitive GM paint I keep hearing about?

I tried to take pics but the camera will not focus on what I can see. I'll try a few more times to see what I can come up with. I still have the passenger side and hood to do tomorrow so maybe the daylight will help with the pics.

[Murr1525]

Well, I am not familiar with that vehicle, but the next thing you should try is going milder.

You can try either a #9/#82 sort of product with the 8006 pad. Or #80 with a 9006 pad. Or even #9/#82 with the 9006 pad.

Just something to try and get milder.

[Tim Lingor]

Re: Envoy paint very hard?

Originally posted by RLdetail
I had a '04 GMC Envoy dropped off to me last friday and it looked like someone washed it with sandpaper!!

I tried #83/8006 on the da and after 2 or 3 passes it basically did very little. So then I went to the rotary and same pad compound. Made a little bit of difference after 2 passes but still not much. Then switched to 7006/84 on rotary and it took out some of the lighter marks but left the deeper ones. Not having a wool pad I tried #85 with the 7006 and slowed the speed down to about 1200 and it took out the deeper marks. But then I had to go to #83/8006 and make 2 passes to take out the swirls!

Now the part that made no sense, I tried the da with #83/8006 and it showed more swirls but they were not tight swirls but well spaced out swirls if that makes sense. After 3 passes with the da, the swirls were less but there appeared to be what you guys refer to is micro marring. I have never had this problem before and it also did this with the 8006/#80. So then I went back to the rotary and there are no swirls.

This is all stuff that is very light and I can and have taken out of other cars with the da and #80/8006 except for a few spots that were lightly deeper. I was going to try #80 with the rotary but I ran out of pads!! I need to order some more I guess!

Is there a reason for this?
Is this the hard but scratch sensitive GM paint I keep hearing about?

I tried to take pics but the camera will not focus on what I can see. I'll try a few more times to see what I can come up with. I still have the passenger side and hood to do tomorrow so maybe the daylight will help with the pics.

Hey,

Yes, recent GM paint seems to be very marring sensitive. Here is my advice. Take the rotary (~1300 RPM) and a W-9006 Finishing Pad with #82 Swirl Free Polish. I have a feeling that this will remove the final marring that you are getting. I know this seems a little backwards, but if you use this combo, it will "finish-out" the paint a little more than using it with the G100 or #80 with the G100. Follow the rotary and #82 with the PC and #82 with the same W-9006 Finishing Pad. Then take the G100 and follow up with another clean W-9006 Pad and #21.

So;

1. Rotary (1300 RPM) with W-9006 and #82
2. G100 speed 5, W-9006 Finishing Pad and #82
3. G100, speed 3, another W-9006 Pad and #21

Make sure you do the rotary step and the #82.

Give that a try and report back.

Tim

[RLdetail]

I guess I'll try the PBE store in the morning and see if they have any pads and #82. Maybe just the pads as I have #9 and I need a few more W9006 & W8006 pads.

Thanks I'll Give that a try!!