Meg #83 gum out.

[KLnyc]

Hi,

Does M#84 gum out fast than M#83?
Some time I get gummed here and there with M#83 on a rotary. I was wondering about the M#84 if the same?

thanks
ken

[zey]

KLnyc, I guess you're working on a warm surface, that's why you face gumming issue. Try to use less M83 and also clean up your pad with a piece of terry cloth towel to soak up excessive product on the pad. Product gumming is usually caused by premature drying before it's able to break down properly, please correct me if I'm wrong.

[Jeff Smith]

Originally posted by zey
KLnyc, I guess you're working on a warm surface, that's why you face gumming issue. Try to use less M83 and also clean up your pad with a piece of terry cloth towel to soak up excessive product on the pad. Product gumming is usually caused by premature drying before it's able to break down properly, please correct me if I'm wrong.

I am by no means an experienced user of either the Rotary or #83 but recently put #83 though it's paces with the Rotary to familiarize myself with it.

I did find it got gummy if I used to much and did not clean my pad after each panel.

Tim explained to me how to use the 6-8" lines. That, along with my trying to focus on smaller areas really helped with the gumming up. Another thing that helped me bigtime was doing it at night. I guess the moisture in the night air really added to my playtime with the product. No gumming whatsoever.

[zey]

Jeff, I'm doing the exactly same thing - buffing at night. Somehow M83 evaporates slower during night, allowing more buffing time, hence enough time to breakdown the diminishing abrasives. By using less product also reduces splatters tremendously.

[Jeff Smith]

Originally posted by zey
Jeff, I'm doing the exactly same thing - buffing at night. Somehow M83 evaporates slower during night, allowing more buffing time, hence enough time to breakdown the diminishing abrasives. By using less product also reduces splatters tremendously.

#9 is also a good one for working with at night. During the day I found it to dry up pretty fast. I just got done with a pass of #9 with an 8006 pad as well as a 9006 tonight on my horizontal surfaces. Sweet working with #9 at night. During the day on my white paint I could not tell if I had worked it well enough or not.

Next I plan on putting #82 through the same workup as I have everything else. I will be using it with the Rotary w/8006&9006 then the PC w/8006&9006. I do the Horizontal Surfaces at night because the trees around my house have not fully leafed out yet so I lack proper shade. For the sides, I can simply turn one side or the other away fromt he sun.

[zey]

It's even easier to work with M82/W9006 using RB compared to M83/W8006. Most of the time I get swirl-free finish after this step and it's ready for LSP. Just a note, another sign to know when to stop buffing is when the pad does not rotate smoothly on the surface.

[Jeff Smith]

Originally posted by zey
It's even easier to work with M82/W9006 using RB compared to M83/W8006. Most of the time I get swirl-free finish after this step and it's ready for LSP. Just a note, another sign to know when to stop buffing is when the pad does not rotate smoothly on the surface.

Thanks for the tip there. I never thought of that one.

Tonight while working #9. It semed like I could work it until I got tired of working it. I could get 6-7 passes with the 9006 pad with the Speed at 4.5. I could probably have gone for another pass or 2 but was fine stopping there.

I did not like #9 with the Rotary. On my Factory Honda Paint which seems a little soft. It seemed very comparable to #80 as far as the end results went. To clarify, I found Minor cobwebbing after the Rotary passes just like I did after the #80 passes with the RB. I was kind of expecting this cobwebbing to be a bit milder than the same with #80 but found it very similar.

I am looking forward to working up the #82 as this seems to leave more oils than the #9 so I am sure I will be much happier with the results. After the 4 passes of #82 I am going to Try #3 with the RB and a 9006 then #3 with the PC & a 9006 then on to #81 by hand then 2 coats of NXT.

I'll qickly lay out my Plan.
CLAY
#83 / RB /8006
#83 / RB /9006
#83 / PC /8006
#83 / PC /9006
#80 / RB /8006
#80 / RB /9006
#80 / PC /8006
#80 / PC /9006
#9 / RB / 8006
#9 / RB / 9006
#9 / PC / 8006
#9 / PC / 9006 ( Where I am at now)
#82 / RB /8006
#82 / RB /9006
#82 / PC /8006
#82 / PC /9006
#3 / RB / 9006
#3 / PC / 9006
#81 By Hand
NXT (x2) with the PC
FALL OVER DEAD

[KLnyc]

Thanks for the replies guys,
Well, night time it out of the question. I dont have a indoor garage, my car park on a driveway(outside 24/7). Okay, I used all type of methods I laid a bead 6"-8" and still gummed, I even smear it off on the panel and still gummed. The pad I was using its pretty clean, I dont clean the pad, I just change them and dump the used pads into a wash bucket. Overall, I think its the heat its the issue on the panels.
During the mid Decemeber month, I dont get gum out...hmmm.

[Mike Phillips]

The majority of people that use our 80's series are people that work in the refinishing industry and that's usually 8:00am to 5:00pm.

On a personal note, I don't buff at night unless there's some kind of wax emergency.

• * When working with M83 clean your pad often.
  * Wipe the finish and remove any leftover residue after working an area before applying more product and working the area again, or an adjacent panel. (Everything should always be clean).
  * Don't overuse the product.
  * Most important... the first one, clean your pad often.

Hope this helps...

[Jeff Smith]

Originally posted by Mike Phillips
The majority of people that use our 80's series are people that work in the refinishing industry and that's usually 8:00am to 5:00pm.

On a personal note, I don't buff at night unless there's some kind of wax emergency.

• * When working with M83 clean your pad often.
  * Wipe the finish and remove any leftover residue after working an area before applying more product and working the area again, or an adjacent panel. (Everything should always be clean).
  * Don't overuse the product.
  * Most important... the first one, clean your pad often.

Hope this helps...

I am still new to the Rotary but something have noticed is that it appears to me that the outer edge of the pad will begin to gum up or glaze over a little bit before I start noticing the gumming up on the finish. So if I start seeing this sign, I then know I need to start cutting back. I generally clean my pad after every panel and really watch how much product I am applying.

Something else I have noticed that I really can't say I have seen discussed within the Forum is what I call "AIR TIME". There are certain areas on my truck where I tend to use the edge of the pad moreso than in other areas. What I mean is that I will lean the pad to get around a corner or into a tight space. Thus bringing up the back edge of the pad. I tend to see the edge of the pad gumming up a little faster when doing this. I assume this is a result of the product being exposed to direct movement or vibration through the air probably tending to trying to dry the product out a bit before it is broken down properly. I now have a little better grasp of on what panels to expect this so I can cut my product down just a touch.

[KLnyc]

Thanks for the tips guys. I need to pratice more on the cutting pad. I use a wool pad and no problem at all. I also used the LC VC pads, that I dont get much hops as the Meg does. It's the burgundy pad, I get the hop. If I tilled then Im alright.

[Jeff Smith]

Originally posted by KLnyc
Thanks for the tips guys. I need to pratice more on the cutting pad. I use a wool pad and no problem at all. I also used the LC VC pads, that I dont get much hops as the Meg does. It's the burgundy pad, I get the hop. If I tilled then Im alright.

I have not used Meg's Cutting pad on anything as yet. I still have oodles to learn.

[zey]

KLnyc, I mist the burgundy pad with 2 shots of FI, and turn on the buffer at 1500rpm to sling away the excessive FI. With the pad primed with slight FI, I never face hoping before. Practice makes perfect!

[Monk]

Jeff--I have enjoyed your posts on the RB. How are you getting rid of the cobwebs when you get them? I assume that you have instilled them yourself? If so, is this die to a defect in technique or wrong product/pad choice? or combination (because I guess everybody has their own combos that work for them)?

[Jeff Smith]

Originally posted by Monk
Jeff--I have enjoyed your posts on the RB. How are you getting rid of the cobwebs when you get them? I assume that you have instilled them yourself? If so, is this die to a defect in technique or wrong product/pad choice? or combination (because I guess everybody has their own combos that work for them)?

I am sure the cobwebbing is due mostly due to my inexperience. I don't have alot of time on alot of the products I am using so am still learning how much to use and how fast to work them as well as how much product to use.

You can see by the above post that I have really put alot into this and still am not finished. But I think at the point I am presently at, if I were more experienced, the finish would be flawless.

I think the cobwebbing is coming from the tendency of the product to gum up on the outer rim of the pad. I clean my pads after every panel but still notice that gumming will slowly build up from one panel to the next. I have also started hitting this edge with a brush which does seem to help. But the use of a terry towel does not seem to remove this gumming.

Tonight I hope to start on the #82 with the RB and a 8006 pad. Hopefullly I can focus on minimizing this product gum up on the edge of the pad. This has been a great training experience for me. I still have lots to learn but by using this approach I have really started noticing what to watch out for to catch a problem early on. I still don't have the skills under my belt to get it as flawless as I think possible but I don't mind the practice at all.

I have three more vehicles lined up to do after mine and there is absolutely no rush on them, so my plan is to do a full thread on each applied product as I go. Plenty of pics and commentary. Hopefully I will be able to explain what I am doing well enough to where those here with better skills can help me define my process better. And in turn, maybe make a few threads, specific to a given product and tool, that new folks can look at and gain some benefit from.

The only downfall I see from my process thuis far is that I have the suspicion I should have ran #82 prior to #9. After looking at #82 last night I see that most folks think the #82 is the more agressive of the 2. For some reason I had it in my head that #9 was the more aggressive. I am sure that they are close enough that I won't have any major regrets by reversing the order but I still would have prefered to go from #82 to #9 instead.

The cobwebbing I currently see is so minor that in direct sunlight, you have to look pretty closely and even move you head around to spot it. Most people would not notice it. It's no biggie and I look forward to gaining enough skill to overcome this.