Think I got it?

[Rowen]

So after trying to "soak" up any much information, I have come to the following...

Each car has the same goal to be achieved, that is a lasting, rich, deep, reflective gloss, and oh yes swirl free.

But each car is unique, and different conditions require different methods / procedures / products.

The objective of this is post, is to help me understands the basic's in order to achieve the desired result, lets take this scenario...

Car - It's a daily driver, experineces a bit of time in the sun, as well as been exposed to natural elements like rain, dust, bird dropping etc, and has fair amount of swirls.

This is the process that I "think" is correct in order to detail the above car. I also realize that each person has their own preferences with regards to products, I have selected a list that I "believe" with assist me in achieving the result want, but please free to comment, and correct me if needed. I will be using the G-100 DA

Step 1 - Wash using NXT Generation Car Wash

Step 2 - (a)Quik Clay Detailing System, to remove surface blemishes and (b) Deep Crystal Paint Cleaner (Step 1 ) to remove
under surface blemishes? eg, swirls

or Can I use the #83 to perform both actions of Step2 in a single step as such?

Step 3 - Use Deep Crystal Pure Polish

Step 4 - Use NXT Generation Tech Wax Paste

Comments?

[tgfhatch]

Maybe a pro can chime in here.

But from my understanding, the Deep Crystal line was formulated to be mainly used by hand.

If your using the DA, I'd go with the #83 to remove the swirls. Another good product is #80. From my understanding, these products have the need abrasives to remove swirls but also has some minor polishing capabilities.

If you want a polish, #7 is a good product!

[Mike Phillips]

Re: Think I got it?

Originally posted by Rowen

Step 2 - (a)Quik Clay Detailing System, to remove surface blemishes and (b) Deep Crystal Paint Cleaner (Step 1 ) to remove
under surface blemishes? eg, swirls

or Can I use the #83 to perform both actions of Step2 in a single step as such?

Hi Rowen,

For the most part, the best way to remove above surface defects is by using detailing clay. Detailing clay remove above surface bonded contaminants better and more efficiently than any other method. It's definitely a step worth doing.

After you've clayed the finish, if you have below surface defects to remove, swirls, scratches, etching's etc. then if you're working by hand use ScratchX, if you're working with a dual action polisher use M83 or M80 or a combination of both, that is make your first cleaning step with M83 and follow up with a second cleaning and polishing step by using the M80.

If you're doing this for money, then you have to be able to charge for the extra step otherwise just stick with one step and then go to wax.

If it's for your personal cars, and you want the best you can get then the extra steps are your time and money and the end justifies the means.

[Rowen]

Re: Re: Think I got it?

Hi Guys

For the most part, the best way to remove above surface defects is by using detailing clay.

Great, I will be using "Quik Clay", for this process?

to remove, swirls, scratches, etching's etc. then if you're working by hand use ScratchX,

I will remember that!

if you're working with a dual action polisher use M83 or M80 or a combination of both, that is make your first cleaning step with M83 and follow up with a second cleaning and polishing step by using the M80.

is there a product which is the cobmination of both #83 & #80

If you're doing this for money, then you have to be able to charge for the extra step otherwise just stick with one step and then go to wax.

Yes, this is for money, if I'm not in a position to charge for the step, do you suggest I do the following...

1 - Wash
2. Prep, using Quick Clay
3. M83 to remove to remove swirls etc and polish
4. Wax


How important is it to wax, once you have polished?

[Mike Phillips]

If you're detailing for money, then their are two general camps...

Production work
Show Car Work


It's easier to make money doing production work because show car detailing requires you to educate the customer so that you can charge more and educating means spending time with them, well... educating them.

Doing quality production work is fast, easy and fool-proof. First don't over promise, don't promise to remove every swirl and scratch, that's show car detailing, stick with cleaning and shining the paint. Here's a fool-proof system,

Wash
Clay
M80
Wax

If you want to cut it down to three steps,

Wash
Clay
M66

Dress the tires, clean the windows and you're done unless you're also offering interior work.

Keep it simple.

[Rowen]

Mike, thanks a million

I was hoping you response in the way you did

right, just one more question...

which is the M66?

[MrWolf710]

According to the catalog, I think he's talking about No. 66 (M-6601) Quick Detailer. Kinda weird because in this case quick detailer is a cleaner wax. I think of interior detailer when I see quick detailer.

"A one-step Cleaner/wax, specially formulated for high-Production reconditioning"

Looks like No. 6 (M-0664 or M-0616) Cleaner Wax is similar as it is also a cleaning wax. Not sure what the difference is.

I think I may try nxt wash, clay, 80, nxt wax on my wife's van this weekend. Sounds faster than doing the whole wash, clay, cleaner, polish, wax steps especially since it's my wife's van . I mean, really, who wants to spend all day on that

[Mike Phillips]

Correct, M66 Quick Detailer is a very strong, one-step cleaner/wax that can be used by hand or machine. It's an awesome product that delivers professional results in one step. This is a perfect product for production detailing work.




It's actually so good, the results will surprise you.

[sneek]

also i see that you are using items from the consumer line it may be more cost effective to use products from the proline

[Rowen]

Mike, this might sound a bit crazy...

with regards to the clay process, are you refering to the "quick" clay or the "detailing" clay? (mild or aggressive)

[Rowen]

Originally posted by sneek
also i see that you are using items from the consumer line it may be more cost effective to use products from the proline

??, not sure I know exactly what you mean, sorry guys I'm very new to the Meguiars Range of Products..

[sneek]

NXT line and DC's and Gold Class are all in the consumer line the pro line is the one with all the numbers ex: #7, #80, #66,#83 etc

also the detailer line is also more cost effective than the consumer line

hope this helps

[Rowen]

Mike,

Originally posted by Mike Phillips
[B]If you're detailing for money, then their are two general camps...

Production work
Show Car Work

What Products that could be used for Show Car work,and in what step should they be used?

[Mike Phillips]

Originally posted by Rowen
Mike, this might sound a bit crazy...

with regards to the clay process, are you referring to the "quick" clay or the "detailing" clay? (mild or aggressive)

Either or and you're good to go, the idea is to use a quality detailing clay, both our Consumer Clay and the Mild Clay in our Professional Line are both quality clays.

[Rowen]

Originally posted by sneek
NXT line and DC's and Gold Class are all in the consumer line the pro line is the one with all the numbers ex: #7, #80, #66,#83 etc

also the detailer line is also more cost effective than the consumer line

hope this helps

thanks, that makes more sense now, how our local importer has the pro line products