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  • A Beginners Detailing in Detail

    Hi all,

    This is my first post here, though I've spent a good part of the past week reading through past posts and gathering useful info.

    I have a BMW E34 M5, same as what Mike uses in some of his photos, but mine is a very dark metallic purple (called Macau Blue). It's nearly 14 years old, and has normal wear and tear for that age car. For the past year, i've been following the Meguiars 5 step program. I try to wash the car every week, I wax it (using Carnauba wax) every month or 2, polish it every 3 or months (using Deep Crystal Polish), and a paint clean every 8 to 12 months (i've done it twice now, using the Deep Crystal paint cleaner).

    Th car looks great at the moment, I last gave it a paint clean about a month ago, and on the weekend I spent a few hours detailng it, and waxing it.

    The car looks great, and people often comment on it, but when you look at the car close up, you see all sorts of scratches and swirl marks in it.

    You can see some photos that I took of it on Sunday after waxing it here:



    So, after reading previous posts here, I went and boaught some new products, and tried them out on my bonnet (what we Aussies call a "hood"), here's the results.

    Step 1: Clay and Quick Detailer
    This was the first time I had used clay to clean the paint and i've very impressed. It's only one month since I used paint cleaner on the car, but the difference is amazing. I'm not sure how much this is due to contiminants i've picked up in the past month. (The car is driven daily, but garaged day and night), or how much is due to the clay, but I think I'll just use clay instead of paint cleaner from now on. The finish is like glass.

    Step 2: Spiral Remover
    I applied spiral remover using my Random Orbital Sander and a Meguiars foam applicator, I rubbed it in well, and then removed it with a terry cloth. It is a nightmare to remove, it really sticks, but ultimately, I only saw a small improvement in the swirls, which is unfortunate. I assume that this is because I used a ROS instead of a PC, is that right?

    Step 3: ScratchX
    I set about targeting some scratches and blemishes in the clear coat with ScratchX. I applied it by hand, using a meguiars foam applicator. I definately was able to reduce the scratches and blemishes, abut I wasn't actually able to remove any of them, regardless of how hard I scrubbed, or how many applications I used.

    Step 4: Polish
    I gave the bonnet a polish using the Deep Crystal Polish, which I applied using a foam applicator, and removed using a terry cloth

    Step 5: Wax
    This time, I used the Gold Class wax, instead of the Carnauba wax that I normally use. The front of the bottle says it Meguiars most relective wax ever, so I thought I'd give it a go. I applied it by hand, using a foam applicator, and removed it with a terry cloth.

    The Results
    All in all, i'm a little dissapointed. The bonnet looks duller than it did before. I suspect that is due to the wax I used this time, so tomorrow, I will try using Carnauba wax again and see if that brings back the dpeth. The surface is definately cleaner though, it feels fantastic, it's very very smooth. That clay is good stuff.

    So, what did I do wrong? What should I do differently as I start the rest of the car, panel by panel? On the basis of todays results, I'm inclined to do what I was doing, except using clay instead of paint cleaner, and maybe using ScratchX to reduce some of the scratches. Does anyone have any other advice?

    One other thing, how many foam applicators and terry cloths do you guys use to detail your car? I never seem to have enough of them, no matter how many I buy.

    Thanks for any help

    Regards

    John
    See my BMW E34 M5 at http://www.jrobbo.com/M5

  • #2
    Hi all,

    I had made the assumption in my post that Clay was a replacement for Paint Cleaner, to me they seem to be filling the same function, but i've been reading a few of the Makeover posts, and I see a number of people using both Clay and Paint cleaner, so i've obviously got it wrong.

    Can somebody explain the differences please?

    Thansk again guys, this forum is great

    Regards

    John
    See my BMW E34 M5 at http://www.jrobbo.com/M5

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    • #3
      Originally posted by jrobbo
      Hi all,

      I had made the assumption in my post that Clay was a replacement for Paint Cleaner, to me they seem to be filling the same function, but i've been reading a few of the Makeover posts, and I see a number of people using both Clay and Paint cleaner, so i've obviously got it wrong.

      Can somebody explain the differences please?

      Thansk again guys, this forum is great

      Regards

      John
      Clay is going to remove your above surface contaminates the things that are stuck to the surface of your paint. This may include tree sap, tar, overspray, baked on bugs and many other things. Paint cleaner will remove below surface contaminates.

      I like to clay my truck once a year after all the snow/road salt is gone and I usually use a cleaner several times a year to prep the paint for polish/wax.

      If you search on MOL for "Below Surface Contaminates" or Above Surface Contaminates" you will find more tons of information.
      Brandon

      2007 Black Chevy Avalanche

      My Albums: Avalanche
      Meguiars Online Acronyms - Meguiars Product List....

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      • #4
        Step 2: Spiral Remover
        I applied spiral remover using my Random Orbital Sander and a Meguiars foam applicator, I rubbed it in well, and then removed it with a terry cloth. It is a nightmare to remove, it really sticks, but ultimately, I only saw a small improvement in the swirls, which is unfortunate. I assume that this is because I used a ROS instead of a PC, is that right?
        One more thing... is this a Meguiars product(spiral remover)? Just trying to figure why it may have been hard to remove. Also what brand is your sander? There are several other PC like machines out there that work the same way.



        As for towels, well you are right. Seems you never have enough. I have 20-25 applicators and 15-20 Microfiber towels and lots of other non-paint use towels. You just have to keep adding to your collection!
        Brandon

        2007 Black Chevy Avalanche

        My Albums: Avalanche
        Meguiars Online Acronyms - Meguiars Product List....

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        • #5
          Thanks heaps for the reply, i'll look more into obove and below surface contiminants, thanks for the tip.

          When I said "spiral remover", i actually meant "Meguairs Swirl Remover 2.0" (#9), sorry for the mix up.

          Thanks again for the tips

          Regards

          John
          See my BMW E34 M5 at http://www.jrobbo.com/M5

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          • #6
            Keep in mind you do not want to let Meguiars Swirl Remove 2.0 dry. Work the product in a 2X2 area and the remove, its been a while since I have use #9 2.0 some maybe someone else may chime in on it and give you some tips.
            Brandon

            2007 Black Chevy Avalanche

            My Albums: Avalanche
            Meguiars Online Acronyms - Meguiars Product List....

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            • #7
              That's correct, just work #9 in and wipe it off immediately. I believe it's less abrasive than M80. There are several reasons why you didn't have good results with #9.

              1.) It's possible that the ROS you used just doesn't have the power of a PC. You need to apply 10 to 15 pounds of pressure and you need a very slow arm movement. With the PC, you are one step below the maximum speed of Speed 5. If the ROS is bogging down, you will need a PC.

              2.) Could you have worked #9 in too long so that the process had become a dry buff? You always want the surface to be wet and oily to lubricate the pad.

              3.) How many passes did you make? Considering that M80 is more abrasive than #9, and that I can't always get out swirls with M80, sometimes I need M83 instead. You might need a product with a bit more cutting power. Of course you can also multiply your passes. If you made one pass and checked, try making 4 passes and then check the results.

              As for being disappointed with the results, if the paint surface isn't properly prepped, a LSP wax isn't going to fix everything and suddenly give you a gorgeous finish.

              Every step is important.


              Originally posted by gb387
              Keep in mind you do not want to let Meguiars Swirl Remove 2.0 dry. Work the product in a 2X2 area and the remove, its been a while since I have use #9 2.0 some maybe someone else may chime in on it and give you some tips.
              Richard Lin
              ShowCarDetailing
              5548 E. La Palma Ave
              Anaheim, CA 92807
              toll free: 866 707 9292

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              • #8
                Thanks for the tips for the correct use on the Swirl Remover, i'll give it another go. I was only using the ROS on low speed, and not putting very much pressure on it (almost none actually), so i'll give it another go.

                As for being disappointed with the results, if the paint surface isn't properly prepped, a LSP wax isn't going to fix everything and suddenly give you a gorgeous finish.
                I understand that, and am happy to put in whatever effort is required to get it looking good. It's just that I'm a real beginner at detailing, so it's all still a little confusing at the moment, however the helpful people on this forum such as yourself are making it clearer for me step by step.

                I did clay the surface first, and was very impressed with how smooth and clean the surface was after doing that. Is there something else I should be doing here in order to get a better finish?

                I gave it another going over with carnauba wax today, and the result is much closer to what i'd been hoping for, I guess the gold class wax just isn;t for me.

                So, this weekend, the plan is to do the rest of the car, in this order:

                0) Wash and dry the car
                1) Clay the surface
                2) Use swirl remover 2.0 using the advice you provided above (thanks again)
                3) Use ScratchX on any scratches and imprefections
                4) Use Deep Crystal Polish
                5) Use Carnauba wax

                Did I miss anything out?

                Thanks again to everyone for helping me out

                Regards

                John
                See my BMW E34 M5 at http://www.jrobbo.com/M5

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                • #9
                  Depending on how well Swirl Remover 2.0 works for you, ScratchX may be redundant. Both products are considered paint cleaners. ScratchX is just a hand applied paint cleaner.

                  As for SR 2.0 not being effective--definitely on a PC, we're almost at maximum speed, and applying considerable pressure in order to remove swirls. When successive passes of that with one chemical doesn't work, then you go to a more aggressive one. Low speed with little pressure won't "do any work" beyond what you might get by rubbing your paint with a foam applicator. The right tool makes all the difference!

                  As for the wax, you are letting it dry thoroughly right? You do a swipe test--just take your clean index finger and swipe it across a waxed area. The swiped area should be clear--no smudging. The edges of the swiped area should be sharp and defined. If so, then the wax has set and you can wipe it off.
                  Richard Lin
                  ShowCarDetailing
                  5548 E. La Palma Ave
                  Anaheim, CA 92807
                  toll free: 866 707 9292

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