Strange, dc step 2 and pro line #7

[der passat]

I had some time today and i've tried out some different prouducts on my car, all brought on with a rotary, only not the nxt and #6.
Somthing strange, i thougt that the pro line should be better than the customer line step 2 polish, but not (see pictures)
What could i use after the cleaner wax #6?
Maybe the #9 swirl remover, and than a coat of #21?

treated with pro line #6, good result

treated with pro line #7 :shock: :? :shock:

treated with dc step 2 :wink: much beter

completed with nxt as last step.


Greetz Bert

[Hannibal]

you used DC#2 with the roatry?? That worked best is what you are saying??

[der passat]

yes, with a rotary its working ok.
Can it be that i'm doing something wrong with the #7? All the swirls...you can see them on the picture, and with dc2 not any...

Greetz bert

[Vandelete]

Hey Bert i gave you an reply on the Dutch Forum

[Mike Phillips]

Were there any swirls in the paint to start with?

[Mike Phillips]

Originally posted by Vandelete
Hey Bert i gave you an reply on the Dutch Forum

Let's post the link to the thread in the Dutch forum in this thread, let's not make me hunt it down.

Thanks!

[Vandelete]

click here

My guess is that the Word "polish" is a mistake in his thoughts that it has an abbrasiveness to remove swirls ..but as a matter of fact there is a difference in polishers and "Pure polishers". he is using number 7 show car glaze but that one is absolutly not abbrasive in his kind and only feeds the paint and condition it well. Also applying it by rotary i think it`s not a good option for applying # 7.

[der passat]

there where no swirls before applying the #7, could it be that the product lost his workingprocess after 3 a4 years?

Greetz bert

[Mike Phillips]

If there were no swirls to start with then somehow your pad instilled the swirls because #7 is completely non-abrasive.

Feel some between your fingers and read this,

http://meguiarsonline.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=2409

Step-3 Polishing



Meguiar's offers two types of polishes, Cleaner Polishes and Pure Polishes. Cleaner Polishes are for removing very light or fine defects while restoring a crystal clear, smooth high gloss surface. Pure polishes are for finishes already in excellent condition and are for the purpose or creating brilliant high gloss with deep dark reflections.

If you look in Webster's Dictionary under the word polish, one of the definitions they include reads like this:

"A preparation that is used to produce gloss, and often color for the protection and decoration of a surface."

This definition best describes Meguiar's Pure Polishes. Meguiar's pure polishes are designed to create brilliant high gloss while preparing the surface for the application of a protective coating. Meguiar's pure polishes accomplish this without the use of abrasives.


Another definition found in Webster's Dictionary for polish is,

"To make smooth and glossy by friction."

This definition best describes Meguiar's Cleaner/Polishes. Meguiar's cleaner polishes are formulated to very gently abrade the surface with Meguiar's Diminishing Abrasive TM and Buffered Abrasive TM technology to remove the finest defects and create a perfectly smooth, high gloss finish.

Depending on what type of paint you're working on, traditional paints like lacquers and enamels, or catalyzed clear coats, Meguiar's has the products specifically designed to work on both types of paints, not to mention many other surfaces such as plastics and polyester resins (Fiberglas Gel-coats).


Meguiar's Trade Secret Polishing Oils
The trade secret oils Meguiar's uses in both types of polishes are unique to the industry and to this day have never been surpassed for creating deep, dark reflections and brilliant high gloss by any of our competitors in over 100 years.

The oils Meguiar's uses are also important in maintaining the original condition of the paint by filling in the naturally occurring microscopic pores and surface imperfections thus preventing detrimental substances and elements as simple as water, or worse, acid-rain, from entering into these pores and microscopic surface imperfections thus causing oxidation and chemical etching. These oils act to replace the original resins as they wear away through natural processes.

When paint is new, it is the most impermeable it will ever be, this means it is a very smooth non-porous, continuous film. With age, exposure to the environment and micro-scratching caused by day-in, day-out wear and tear, your paint develops micro-fissures in the surface along with other defects. These micro-fissures and other defects act to make the continuous film or coating of paint more porous. As this happens, your car's finish becomes more vulnerable to corrosive elements that will attack and degrade your finish.


Remember, waxes, synthetic or otherwise, are meant to be Sacrificial Barriers with the intended purpose sealing the surface, while blocking those things that would attack your paint, from coming into direct contact with the paint.

"Waxes protect your finish by sacrificing themselves so that your paint doesn't have to"

An analogy is your skin. In the same way you can clean, polish and protect your skin, you can clean, polish and protect your car's finish. Soap can be used to clean your skin and remove dirt from the pores. Skin lotions can be used to moisturize your skin, conditioning it and making it more clear and beautiful. Protection products like lotions used to protect hands from exposure to chemicals and UV protectants can be applied to help protect your skin from the things that would attack your skin if these harmful things could come into direct contact with your skin.

While human skin and automotive paint are very different, the analogy is very similar. With Meguiar's, you can:

* Wash your car's finish to remove unwanted and accumulated dirt contaminants
* Clean your paint with our special paint cleaners and cleaner/polishes
* Polish your paint with our pure polishes to create unequaled beauty
* Protect your paint with our advanced paint protection products
* Maintain your car's finish using our fast and easy to use maintenance products.

[97t-bird]

If i would think he used the cleaner wax first or already had wax on there wouldnt that put some sort of protection on the paint as to seal it abit and that would prevent the product from working it and "polish"the paint with its oils. I am sure dc2 is a great product maybe it contains some fillers thats why it hid the swirls im not sure I usually use 81 for my pure polishand get great results although my car is red. If i would do this i would clean the paint with a dedicated paint cleaner then mask off too sections apply then take the pics. Hope i helped any. Greg.

[Mike Phillips]

Originally posted by Vandelete
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My guess is that the Word "polish" is a mistake in his thoughts that it has an abbrasiveness to remove swirls ..but as a matter of fact there is a difference in polishers and "Pure polishers".

This is my thought also.

We had a similar thing happen on the Meguiar's German forum where there was some confusion over the word/term polish


I was reading on another discussion forum the other day ago a discussion over semantics dealing with the words polish and glaze.

One thing that didn't come up was history and by this I mean Meguiar's has been making automotive polishes as long and usually longer than anyone else still in business since the car was introduced and all the new guys on the block.

Point being, Meguiar's created their own category of products called Pure Polishes, which are non-abrasive and are for the purpose of creating gloss and beauty. Meguiar's also manufactures another type of polish we call a cleaner/polish which does contain ingredients with the intended purpose of abrading the paint, so we cover both sides of this category.

If the rest of the industry wants to create only one type of polish, one that is used to abrade paint that's their choice.

[der passat]

thanxs for the info Mike, what do you prefer what products i can use?

I have:
premium paint cleaner (black bottle)
#6
#7
premium paint protection
nxt wax
Soon i have the #21 also.

What do you think that the best option is from these products or what products can I use for a rotary, so i can buy new ones.

Greetz bert

[Accumulator]

Originally posted by der passat
I have:
premium paint cleaner (black bottle)
#6
#7
premium paint protection
nxt wax
Soon i have the #21 also.

What do you think that the best option is from these products or what products can I use for a rotary..

I wouldn't use *any* of those products by rotary. I wouldn't use the rotary unless I had a need for its power and products that would take advantage of the power. Using the rotary to apply products like #7/DC#2 is (IMO) like using a chainsaw to carve a turkey

The only product of this type I'd use with a rotary is #3, and I'd probably rather use even *it* by hand/PC/Cyclo instead.

[der passat]

i have also a bosh

maybe I can better use this one than?
It's excentric

Kind regards Bert

[Mike Phillips]

Thanks for chiming in on this Accumulator


Accumulator's correct, the rotary buffer is a powerful tool and if you don't need it for major paint correction you will probably be better off using a dual action polisher or working by hand.

Also, except for the #6 the other products are not recommended for application using a rotary buffer.

Typically, if your last machine process is using a rotary buffer then often times you'll see swirls in the pant depending upon your pad, product and skill level.