Question about M21

[explore_02xlt]

I was fixing to order number 21 and i was just wondering what are the best ways to apply it? i've seen all kinds of posts were M21 yeilds GREAT results and i was wanting to try it out. do i use it as a final topper?

[Murr1525]

For best results, I would either use 2 thin coats of #21, or #21 topped with something like #26/Gold Class. You generaly would not use #21 on top of something else.

It should go on equaly well by hand, or with a PC. Though i have not used it with a PC, other peoples experiences seem to show removing it via the PC with a bonnet seems to add a little more gloss/reflection to the surface.

Remember good surface prep, etc is also essential to the looks of the wax.

[HammerDown]

Actually, I wouldn't use ANYTHING on top of #21...it's that good.
I personally don't see any benefit/reason in applying two different products over each other. I'm gonna have to think it just blends into one anyhow.

[explore_02xlt]

well i just placed an order for

-gallon of M21
-W9006 pads
-W8006 pads
-Hyper Dressing Bottle
-Chemical Resistant Sprayer
-Gallon of #40 (hope this is good, i still kind of like the tech protect)

i got this all from auto detail solutions, they are running a specail for any $75+ orders give a free megs duffle bag and decal

[Tim Lingor]

Hey,

There is no need to top M21 as it looks fantastic all on its own! As the others have said, use two thin coats and you are good to go!!

My favorite combo over the years was #20 Polymer Sealant topped with #26 Hi Tech Yellow Wax. The combo provided the reflectivity from the #20 and the warmth as well as depth from the #26. But with the #21, you are getting the best of both worlds all in one, IMHO.

If you decide to top it, which you can, I have had great luck using NXT Paste Wax over the #21 but it is not necessary.

Scroll down this page of the thread:

http://www.meguiarsonline.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=5124&perpage=10&pagenumber=9

#21 topped with NXT:



Tim

[Mike Phillips]

The below photos were taken after applying and removing two thin coats of M21 using a dual action polisher on the 3.0 setting with a W-9006 foam finishing pad. The wax was allowed to dry until it swiped clear and then removed using a microfiber bonnet on a clean, dry W-7006 foam cutting pad on the dual action polisher on the 5.0 setting.












These two coats of M21 were applied after an extensive multi-step buff-out using a rotary buffer but the wax really did top it off (no pun intended )

[sneek]

isn't 5 a little too fast? also did u use the ultimate bonnet? or another mf bonnet?

[Mike Phillips]

Originally posted by sneek
isn't 5 a little too fast? also did u use the ultimate bonnet? or another mf bonnet?

The speed setting of 5.0 works perfect for removing wax, slower speeds tend not to be as effective at getting all the wax off and will sometimes leave patches of wax here and there. No big deal, you can always come back and wipe these off by hand. If you apply a thin coat of wax to start with the it should always wipe off easily and completely by hand or machine. You can use slower speeds if you like but what I personally have found is that the 5.0 speed setting works best for me.

I use Meguiar's X4003 Gold Class Bonnet over a clean, dry W-7006 foam cutting pad to remove the wax.




Like you see being done here on this Corvette,

[Djmigs]

Originally posted by 2hotford


If you decide to top it, which you can, I have had great luck using NXT Paste Wax over the #21 but it is not necessary.

#21 topped with NXT:
Tim

Tim,

correct me if im wrong doesnt nxt paste or liquid have cleaners so if you were to use this as a topper would it remove prevouis wax/sealant....or the cleaners in nxt paste or liquid have mild that it wouldnt remove it...also how does the cleaners in nxt compare to the #20....does 21 have any cleaners like #20....TIA

[sneek]

i've heard that it has light cleaning agents but i dont know first hand

[Mike Phillips]

Originally posted by Djmigs
Tim,

correct me if I'm wrong doesn't NXT paste or liquid have cleaners so if you were to use this as a topper would it remove previous wax/sealant....or the cleaners in NXT paste or liquid have mild that it wouldn't remove it...also how does the cleaners in NXT compare to the #20....does 21 have any cleaners like #20....TIA

NXT Tech Wax Paste
NXT Tech Wax Liquid
M21

All three of these waxes/paint sealants have cleaners in them.

They technically cannot be classified as cleaner/waxes because they don't have enough cleaning ability to go after a wide-spectrum of paint defects like a true cleaner/wax.

If you want to use a Meguiar's wax that does not contain cleaners then you'll have to use M26, M16 or Deep Crystal Carnauba wax. These three waxes contain no ingredients with the intended purpose of cleaning the paint.

[Mosca]

I apply #21 either by hand or with the PC/G100, W9006, speed 1 or 2. My only reservation with using the machine is that the pad absorbs a lot of product and I find it hard to clean the product from the pads (it doesn't really want to dissolve in anything, it's even stickier than NXT). I have dedicated a couple W9006s to #21 only. The upside to using the machine is that the product extends farther and it is easier to get a super thing coat with complete coverage in one pass.

I remove it by hand, but that's my preference for removing any product. I'm more comfortable with doing it that way. The machine and bonnets work fine, but I like removing the residue by hand.


Tom

[Mike Phillips]

Originally posted by Mosca


I find it hard to clean the product from the pads (it doesn't really want to dissolve in anything, it's even stickier than NXT).

Tom

I know Joe has said similar things about trying to remove or clean any applicator pad after using M21 and NXT.

Our chemist told me your best bet is to try removing/cleaning right after using the pad. After 24 hours it's going to be very difficult to remove because by then the polymers will have fully set-up.