ultimate polish and show car glaze combined for "jeweling"

[MicrofiberMan]

could i use ultimate polish and show car glaze mixed like 50 50 after the 105 205 combo to further refine the paint? and if not how about just the ultimate polish? i got a big weekend coming up.

[Nick Winn]

Re: ultimate polish and show car glaze combined for "jeweling"

We would not recommend mixing the two products together, even though it may seem that easy, chances are they are not going to work correctly when mixed together. Are you working with a DA Polisher?

[The Guz]

Re: ultimate polish and show car glaze combined for "jeweling"

Not really needed in my opinion. M205 finishes out pretty well on a foam finishing pad and even on a polishing pad depending on the paint hardness.

[Top Gear]

Re: ultimate polish and show car glaze combined for "jeweling"

Me too. The two processes are very different (compounding and polishing), and you're using 3 different polishes. Wha? It will look nice and fool you in the short term, but you'd be doing a disservice to the compound and the polishes. You really should settle in for a full compounding as a dedicated step, using nothing but the compound, usually working the product faster/harder (as needed). Then do a full polish step with polish alone, using the "jeweling" technique (slow/light) or others, with M205 or UP or Glaze...but not all together. If you're not going to compound a panel or section, then the main polish will be your first step. Remember, each "step" may involve many "passes", which means reloading the pad and doing a pattern and then wiping free, and again as needed. To me, that's a "pass/load". I've been known to do a half-dozen each compound and then polish passes. Talk about a weekend you won't ever forget! Follow that polish with a wax. If you do the steps right, the paint is going to be corrected, finely polished, and properly protected: 1, 2, 3

[MicrofiberMan]

Re: ultimate polish and show car glaze combined for "jeweling"

We would not recommend mixing the two products together, even though it may seem that easy, chances are they are not going to work correctly when mixed together. Are you working with a DA Polisher?

ya i use a da, could i just use the ultimate polish then after 205? think that would add anything?

[MicrofiberMan]

Re: ultimate polish and show car glaze combined for "jeweling"

Me too. The two processes are very different (compounding and polishing), and you're using 3 different polishes. Wha? It will look nice and fool you in the short term, but you'd be doing a disservice to the compound and the polishes. You really should settle in for a full compounding as a dedicated step, using nothing but the compound, usually working the product faster/harder (as needed). Then do a full polish step with polish alone, using the "jeweling" technique (slow/light) or others, with M205 or UP or Glaze...but not all together. If you're not going to compound a panel or section, then the main polish will be your first step. Remember, each "step" may involve many "passes", which means reloading the pad and doing a pattern and then wiping free, and again as needed. To me, that's a "pass/load". I've been known to do a half-dozen each compound and then polish passes. Talk about a weekend you won't ever forget! Follow that polish with a wax. If you do the steps right, the paint is going to be corrected, finely polished, and properly protected: 1, 2, 3

thanks can you use a compound that many times on section without worrying about taking off to much clearcoat? i heard you can but then other people are afraid of it?


also do you do a 2x2 section or can you do like a whole door? how many sections would you break a door into?

[MicrofiberMan]

Re: ultimate polish and show car glaze combined for "jeweling"

i got it polished up pretty nice but the hood looks like chit, and there are still swirls on the side panels in direct sunlight only, im going to go to town on it this weekend

[The Guz]

Re: ultimate polish and show car glaze combined for "jeweling"

ya i use a da, could i just use the ultimate polish then after 205? think that would add anything?

Pick one of those and call it a day. It won't buy you much. It will also save you lots of time.

i got it polished up pretty nice but the hood looks like chit, and there are still swirls on the side panels in direct sunlight only, im going to go to town on it this weekend

What was your process? Technique is always the first thing to work on. Paint hardness plays a factor as well.

[Top Gear]

Re: ultimate polish and show car glaze combined for "jeweling"

thanks can you use a compound that many times on section without worrying about taking off to much clearcoat? i heard you can but then other people are afraid of it? [...] also do you do a 2x2 section or can you do like a whole door? how many sections would you break a door into?

I'm sure I've said in one of your question threads that taking off clear coat is pretty much a non-issue, unless your paint is very soft and you really work on it. I think you'll find that you cannot do "damage" to your paint by compounding alone, and that means even swirls are going to be a challenge to remove. Once again, if you can't correct swirls, you're certainly not taking off clear coat. I'm sure I'm repeating myself, though. I think you just need to get out there and get some real world experience. Forums are a great way to stay very confused with lots of conflicting advice. The sections and their sizes are more up to you than any hard rule. Sometimes they are not even square. I just depends on the curves of the car, Man. Get out there and try some combos, then things will start clicking in your mind.

[DasBurninator]

Re: ultimate polish and show car glaze combined for "jeweling"

I'm sure I've said in one of your question threads that taking off clear coat is pretty much a non-issue, unless your paint is very soft and you really work on it. I think you'll find that you cannot do "damage" to your paint by compounding alone, and that means even swirls are going to be a challenge to remove. Once again, if you can't correct swirls, you're certainly not taking off clear coat. I'm sure I'm repeating myself, though. I think you just need to get out there and get some real world experience. Forums are a great way to stay very confused with lots of conflicting advice. The sections and their sizes are more up to you than any hard rule. Sometimes they are not even square. I just depends on the curves of the car, Man. Get out there and try some combos, then things will start clicking in your mind.

This is good advice. Everyone on forums will always try to be helpful. They will tell you what they have personally tried and had success with. The issue is you cannot verify their experience, be that with the product itself, with technique, a certain polisher, certain paint types, etc etc.

Sometimes you just need to get out there and get some hands on experience. Once you have some of that it makes recommendations easier to understand and then you can test that recommendation against what you are seeing on the paint.


As a whole though, if you are still seeing swirls in the paint, a jeweling polish isn't going to get rid of them. You still haven't removed them when compounding. To me, they sound like larger defects you just haven't been able to address yet. Sometimes compounding isn't a simple one and done ordeal. You may need to make passes at it. It might require you compounding 2-3 times to get something out.

[MicrofiberMan]

Re: ultimate polish and show car glaze combined for "jeweling"

thanks guys ill let you know how it goes, ill try to take a pic but i dont have a digitial camrea, ill figure something out. im ready to hit it hard tomorrow

[MicrofiberMan]

Re: ultimate polish and show car glaze combined for "jeweling"

I'm sure I've said in one of your question threads that taking off clear coat is pretty much a non-issue, unless your paint is very soft and you really work on it. I think you'll find that you cannot do "damage" to your paint by compounding alone, and that means even swirls are going to be a challenge to remove. Once again, if you can't correct swirls, you're certainly not taking off clear coat. I'm sure I'm repeating myself, though. I think you just need to get out there and get some real world experience. Forums are a great way to stay very confused with lots of conflicting advice. The sections and their sizes are more up to you than any hard rule. Sometimes they are not even square. I just depends on the curves of the car, Man. Get out there and try some combos, then things will start clicking in your mind.

hey thanks for all your help man i appreciate it, i actually used the 101 yesterday and it cut pretty good, theres an old scratch on the hood thats pretty deep, i wetsanded it months ago with 3000 grit and that didnt get rid of it, the 101 got it down to almost nothing so it must be removing something, im not going to go crazy with it anyway and it took 5 times with 5 passes each to make the difference so your advice certainly helped, im not scared of taking off to much clear on the rest of the car. idc anyway im getting the hood repainted at some point and im trying to learn on this car so when i get a better one ill have experience, this is a nice car though ill get a picture when im done, but again thanks for the tips

[billddrummer]

Re: ultimate polish and show car glaze combined for "jeweling"

Me too. The two processes are very different (compounding and polishing), and you're using 3 different polishes. Wha? It will look nice and fool you in the short term, but you'd be doing a disservice to the compound and the polishes. You really should settle in for a full compounding as a dedicated step, using nothing but the compound, usually working the product faster/harder (as needed). Then do a full polish step with polish alone, using the "jeweling" technique (slow/light) or others, with M205 or UP or Glaze...but not all together. If you're not going to compound a panel or section, then the main polish will be your first step. Remember, each "step" may involve many "passes", which means reloading the pad and doing a pattern and then wiping free, and again as needed. To me, that's a "pass/load". I've been known to do a half-dozen each compound and then polish passes. Talk about a weekend you won't ever forget! Follow that polish with a wax. If you do the steps right, the paint is going to be corrected, finely polished, and properly protected: 1, 2, 3

I actually did the three step process today.
Paint finally cured from the repair job after my accident. Picked this afternoon to do the full correction.

• Touchless wash (apartment living, no hose or garage);
• Clay (used an entire white clay bar--even the larger ones seem too small to me);
• UC with my HF D/A orbiter, highest speed, heavy pressure with a GG correction pad (yellow);
• UP, moderate speed, same tool, red GG polishing pad;
• UPW, applied and removed by hand

Altogether was about a 3 hour job. Haven't seen the car in bright sun, but I am convinced that I made a difference in the finish.

Did multiple passes with UC on the driver's side because the apartment complex can't seem to figure out how to keep the sprinklers from spraying the vehicle. Passenger's side didn't need as many passes, but two passes with added product seemed to be sufficient.

In the UP step, only needed one pass on the whole vehicle. Applied one coat of wax--more than likely will wax again before the weather changes (late Sept--early Oct).

I am hoping I can find a vehicle that I can designate a 'snow car' so that I don't have to drive my nice one in storms this winter.

I agree that mixing compounds and polishes in the same step defeats the purpose of both.

[drumdan]

Re: ultimate polish and show car glaze combined for "jeweling"

I'm with Guz.

Pick one and enjoy the process of transformation.