M16 in disguise?

[the_invisible]

My buddy has a few tins of this and both the smell, texture, and color are similar to the M16:



Not sure if you could find it locally. But online it's around $4 a tin.

[cnfowler]

Re: M16 in disguise?

My buddy has a few tins of this and both the smell, texture, and color are similar to the M16:...

Yeah, but have you tasted it?


Colin

[noobhax0r]

Re: M16 in disguise?

doubt it.. check out this old thread: http://www.meguiarsonline.com/forums...ad.php?t=12167

[the_invisible]

Re: M16 in disguise?

doubt it.. check out this old thread: http://www.meguiarsonline.com/forums...ad.php?t=12167

Yeah, the tin variation of the RainseDance wax has been known for their small size beads. According to my friend, a hardcore GT-R tuner by the way, who used this wax says that this wax is extremely popular in Asia for its ultra reflectivity and small sized beads. And small beads is a characteristic of the M16!

Haven't tasted it though. I'd imagine it would taste like wax-based cryaons or pastel... but then I don't know what those taste like either.

I will try to get my friend to give me a tin just for collection's sake. He paid $15USD for it in Asia 6 years ago.

[Nick Chapman]

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You guys are missing the obvious.....Lable says "Easy On & Off!"

I think that statement right there knocks out any thought in my head that this product is anywhere close to M16.

[Calais]

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You guys are missing the obvious.....Lable says "Easy On & Off!"

I think that statement right there knocks out any thought in my head that this product is anywhere close to M16.

That's what I thought. Easy off? M16? Wut?

[noobhax0r]

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You guys are missing the obvious.....Lable says "Easy On & Off!"

I think that statement right there knocks out any thought in my head that this product is anywhere close to M16.

Nah. M16 goes on super easy and comes off fine as long as you dont let it dry. I would say it goes on easier than NXT2.0 but comes off a little harder.

[Calais]

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Nah. M16 goes on super easy and comes off fine as long as you dont let it dry. I would say it goes on easier than NXT2.0 but comes off a little harder.

They say it won't last as long if you don't let it dry. It definitely goes on about as easy as NXT if not easier, but IME does not come off nearly as easily. On a freshly clayed and polished panel (usually with M205) it does come off pretty easily. Good luck getting it on and taking it off a neglected paint surface.

[noobhax0r]

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Definetly. But we all know NOT to wax on neglected surfaces right? I remember seeing Mike Philip's thread where he suggests not to let it dry though. Where have you seen it lasts longer if dried before removal(and how much longer)?

[the_invisible]

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Another similiarty between the SunDance and M16 wax is that they both have the little specks of brown stuff (people say carnauba) in the blue tinted paste wax:

http://www.meguiarsonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=37231

It's hard not to believe they are both completely different products. From observation alone they are extremely similar. That is not to say that they are completely 100% identical. The consistencies, colors, texture, and quality in general between different cans of M16 could vary so much already.

I will test it out later. Not that this really matters... seeing that both the SunDance and M16 waxes are discontinued, and Meguiar's seems reluctant to offer any technical support for the M16, I figured I'd kill some time by discussing the products.

[Nappers]

Re: M16 in disguise?

What kind of tech support are you seeking?

I don't think they are relunctant, it's just not available to most (the wax that is).

There is an MSDS sheet on it and it's a wax.

Rain Dance I don't think is made by Meguiar's, although when I was younger it was popular for it's beading. I like beading it's cool, but I like the water to run off so I don't get spotting on my car.....

I have 12 tins of M16 and don't see any brown stuff in mine.....could be rust from the can?

Where have you read about the carnuba?

[the_invisible]

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Hey Aaron, I am not really looking for tech support for the product. The instruction on the can of the M16 is more than enough for me. But it just appears to me that the fellows who decide to boil their M16 are complaining about not receiving adequate technical information regarding boiling the product. Again, my M16 are quite consistent and I do not have to boil mine, so I simply shake mine and apply it. Meguiar's is not to be blamed for the lack of support or warranty for the M16; this product is discontinued, and the inventory available now are old stocks that have been through various storage conditions. The M16 is sort of like a buy-at-own-risk type item with no warranty implied or expressed.

Many people, including myself, have reported brown specks within the wax. I have a whole lot of tins of the stuff and only opened eight tins for inspection. Three of the eight tins I opened had brown specks in them. They are not rust. They feel and appear of organic. I am not too concerned with it. The brown substance is soft and will not scratch the car. The brown substance is also found in the SunDance Wax. I consider the substance both normal and one of the ingredients of the waxes. Unlike the super refined M26 or NXT 2.0, the M16 paste wax is very crude. Consistency, color, and smell could differ quite significantly between different cans of the product. It makes me believe that M16 is a simple wax with very little technical processes, possibly hand made as well.

SunDance, if I remember correctly, is also handmade. Again, I am not implying they are the same product. But there's no doubt in my mind that the SunDance Paste Wax and M16 are probably very similar.


I forgot where I read about brown specks being possibly carnauba, but it sounds very plausible. From inspecting the specks, they appear to be of organic origin.
Harvested and processed carnauba look something like this:

[Tim Lingor]

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Hey,

I have over a dozen cans of M16 and not one looks like your picture. Mine all look exactly like they have for years, a hard paste wax. It makes me wonder if something has happened to those various cans that appear to be soft and or with specks in them. Like I said, I just checked all of my supply and they are perfectly fine...

Tim

[noobhax0r]

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As far as the M16 consistency, my buddy got two tins... and they were in pretty bad shape. Worse than the one pictured above, and it was all smushed to one side. The brown specks - I've had several of those in some of my tins as well. I'm pretty sure theyre rust from the tin cover. If you look on the top, you may see some specks around the same area. I've wiped them off and they make a brown smear on paper.

[jfelbab]

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I've gone through dozens of tins of #16 and still have around 5-6 cans in my garage. None have ever shown brown spots for me.

I also recall using Rain Dance many years ago and it was a pre-softened wax as I recall. #16 was noticeably harder than Rain Dance and the smell of #16 is much different (think crayola).

All of which makes me wonder if the product has been rendered quite different due to improper storage over time.

Rain Dance did indeed yield very tight beading as I recall but it was not a long lasting wax when compared to #16.