Does a Pure Polish/Glaze really add anything to a perfectly prepped panel?

[gjohn28]

Re: Does a Pure Polish/Glaze really add anything to a perfectly prepped panel?

Several years ago, before I knew as much as I know now (through MOL) about detailing, I used the Mother's version of a 3 step system (paint cleaner, polish, wax) on a red (my next favorite color after black) 1996 Jeep Grand Cherokee. I had been using just a regular cleaner wax prior and decided to see what difference a dedicated paint cleaner and polish would make. Again, I really had no idea of what purpose these items served, but thought it was worth a shot just to see.

Not only was I amazed at the depth and wetness the polish made, but when my wife took the car to work, several people asked her where she got the car "detailed." Needless to say, I was flattered and have been a "believer" in polish ever since. I doubt that a 96 Grand Cherokee was SS paint, but it definitely made a difference from the basic cleaner wax regimen I had always followed.

I, for one, am convinced that no matter what color you are dealing with, single-stage or clear coat, polish can make a difference.

[RaskyR1]

Re: Does a Pure Polish/Glaze really add anything to a perfectly prepped panel?

Check out this new thread at Detailing World. Clearly there are a number of folks out there who believe that #7 adds something "extra" to a well-prepped surface.

[Tuck91]

Re: Does a Pure Polish/Glaze really add anything to a perfectly prepped panel?

When I use a Meguiars Pure Polish it darkens my paint and it is a part of the 5 step paint care cycle.

[3Fitty]

Re: Does a Pure Polish/Glaze really add anything to a perfectly prepped panel?

I *thought* I saw a differnce with #7 but (like Rasky) I asked wifey to point out the panel with #7 and the one without.

It took her 2 seconds to immediately identify the panel with #7 on her silver CR-V (both panels were clean and swirl/scratch free before I put on the #7).

HOWEVER (and I am not 100% sure about this), but I do think NXT 2.0 or any other LSP doesn't seem to last as long when I use #7. Is this just me or anyone else notice this?

[Tuck91]

Re: Does a Pure Polish/Glaze really add anything to a perfectly prepped panel?

I *thought* I saw a differnce with #7 but (like Rasky) I asked wifey to point out the panel with #7 and the one without.

It took her 2 seconds to immediately identify the panel with #7 on her silver CR-V (both panels were clean and swirl/scratch free before I put on the #7).

HOWEVER (and I am not 100% sure about this), but I do think NXT 2.0 or any other LSP doesn't seem to last as long when I use #7. Is this just me or anyone else notice this?

If your LSP dosent last as long when you use #7 you may have to wax more frequently to lock in the polishing oils in Show Car Glaze. Are you applying just one coat or are you doing 2 coats of your LSP

[3Fitty]

Re: Does a Pure Polish/Glaze really add anything to a perfectly prepped panel?

My general rule is two coats, 12 hours apart.

[Tuck91]

Re: Does a Pure Polish/Glaze really add anything to a perfectly prepped panel?

My general rule is two coats, 12 hours apart.

I have not noticed my LSP (which 99.5% percent of the times is Tech Wax 2.0) not last as long when using Show Car Glaze.

Perphaps others could join in

[3Fitty]

Re: Does a Pure Polish/Glaze really add anything to a perfectly prepped panel?

I would say I almost always use NXT 2.0 with two exceptions... tried Collinite 476s on my "winterizing wax" and when I did my 9 wax test.

Maybe it's just me or maybe it was the elements, it just seems like when I use #7 I can barely get a month out of my NXT 2.0 and I'll get more than 2 months when I don't.

[KNJ]

Re: Does a Pure Polish/Glaze really add anything to a perfectly prepped panel?

I have not noticed that it can shorten the life of the last step product. I have experimented by applying #7 over 21 and NXT in the past. Don't remember the longevity of that sequence.
As far as #7 making a difference, it depends on the paint. In some instances I have seen dramatic improvement, on others no perceivable difference. I think it depends on the results you are looking to achieve, if it looks better and meets your expectations with #7 then go with it.

[blackmachdown]

Re: Does a Pure Polish/Glaze really add anything to a perfectly prepped panel?

I think the nxt not lasting as long is due in part to nxt sitting on top of the oils from the glaze as the oils dissipate the nxt which has already crosslinked "falls off" if you will.

But then again thats my opinion and I am not a chemist for Megs, so maybe one of those guys can come in and post about what happens.

I really use the glaze for my wifes car (nice day weekend car) and ill be using it on the vette (nice day weekend car), for the daily drivers i skip that step and go straight to nxt

[Mike Phillips]

Re: Does a Pure Polish/Glaze really add anything to a perfectly prepped panel?

I think the nxt not lasting as long is due in part to nxt sitting on top of the oils from the glaze as the oils dissipate the nxt which has already crosslinked "falls off" if you will.

But then again thats my opinion and I am not a chemist for Megs, so maybe one of those guys can come in and post about what happens.

Checked with R&D on this a few years ago, there's a couple of threads in our Hot Topics forum on this topic,

Do Glazes/Fillers affect the bonding of NXT?

A question on wax bonding and the potential for interference by a quick detailer?

[cardriver]

Re: Does a Pure Polish/Glaze really add anything to a perfectly prepped panel?

I've done a few test panels with #7 and DC2 before (and even a couple whole cars with them) and cannot say that I could pick out a difference =/.

[dreamps]

Re: Does a Pure Polish/Glaze really add anything to a perfectly prepped panel?

i think dark colors benefit the most!

[Orca]

Re: Does a Pure Polish/Glaze really add anything to a perfectly prepped panel?

I think people tackle these kind of questions in the wrong way, often and try to assert some kind of scientific basis for whether products or techniques are worthwhile. In this case, the question was posed "do you think ...".

I do - I like using a glazing step, but I will say this.

Having used a number of glazes from all manner of manufacturers, I keep coming back to Meguiars. I do not use Meguiars for ... well, pretty much anything other than their pure polishes. I find other glazes, say, Chemical Guys EZ Creme Glaze, et al are great for levelling out a surface visually, but often act more like filler polishes when it's all done.

Meguiars pure polishes, especially #3 by machine and #7 by hand (Wow! #7) DO actually add to the finish. They are quite unique products and a sheer pleasure to work with.

But ... not on all surfaces, IMO. I think perfectly finessed clearcoated paintwork doesn't get any better than using a microfine polish to burninsh an astouding glassy coat. Single stage paint is another matter - this is where a product like #3 does quite amazing things. I have a VERY sceptical machine polishing partner who denies any improvement in looks by using a glaze, but ... he's just bought a 1990 BMW with single stage red paint. I said, "we'll polish it down with 3M, as usual and then I'll show you what #3 can do ...". He's now a convert:





He was concerned it would be "oily" and that look would be lost with an IPA wipedown, but I assured him that the paint would be creaking clean after an application of #3. "What does it actually do, then?", he asked ... "Dunno ... some kind of magic!". #3 leaves a considerably more glassy finish.

Interesting discussion.

So, I have to sit on the fence with this one ... NO ... and YES, depending on whether the car is clearcoated or single stage.

[TOGWT]

Re: Does a Pure Polish/Glaze really add anything to a perfectly prepped panel?

The oils that are formulated in Carnauba waxe / glaze provide gloss, which causes jetting (a ‘wetting’ of the surface) this distorts the light reflectance, giving the surface the ‘look’ of a mirror in shallow water reflecting a three-dimensional deep, rich colour, in contrast, bees wax, paraffin and many synthetic waxes and some polymer sealants tend to occlude (cloud) the finish