Help me please

[MikeSpike]

Hey everybody,

I am from holland and i found this super website, i was just
about buying some products but now i have read to much so i have some questions and i hope you can help me.

I have a car wich is red but the 1st owner had it polished to much so now i have to wax it to often but the colour will not stay long
good. And there are swirls in it.

now i have seen the NXT products and the gold line wich can i
use best to get great results????

I also have a black car and it also has swirls so if there is a product for both cars it would be great.

I hope you can help help me

I have another question sorry i am a newby

What is the best way to apply the wax in circels or back to
front moves ???

[Murr1525]

Nothing wrong with being new.

Well, here are a few thoughts to start ...

You can wax in any direction, or combination of directions. The product has nothing in it that will scratch your paint, so you can move your hand any direction and it will be fine.

Both Gold Class and Nxt Wax are excellent products.... Nxt should offer more protection, but it is really up to you. Both waxes will also work with both colors.

However, I am not sure what you mean by polished too much? maybe polished improperly? I have never heard of too much polish, but then I am not an expert. Are you losing color after waxing, becasue the swirls and scratches start reapearing? Or is the paint old, maybe it has gone unstable?

Maybe someone else will chime in to help as well, but any more of a description or pics of the car would be helpfull to everyone.

[MikeSpike]

Thnx for the quick reply

The red paint is from 1989 so original paint.

I Think ist's not polished properly, the problem is that wenn
i use my wax Turtle wax then is the paint red (better but not
superb) it looks then if where there clouds of different colour
red in the paint. (sorry it's hard to explain it properly because
this is not my normal language so don't hit me for it haha)

Now wenn i waxed the car its seems after a month if there comes
a film over it so it really does't shine anymore.

So that are the problems , paint is getting less shiny and the
red colour isn't really red after waxing it looks like darker and
lighter colours red.

I hope you understand it

[MikeSpike]

and yes wenn i wax the hood there comes red paint not many
but there comes some paint off it

[Murr1525]

Sure.. we just happened to be looking around at the same time I guess..

Do you usualy use a good quality wash and thn just use the turtle wax? Or have you used all the steps, like washing, claying, paint cleaning, polishing and wax?

Your paint sounds as if it were cared for a bit imporperly by the last owner. You may need to try all the steps, espeacialy a good paint cleaner and polish...

Ahh, I just saw your last post... It sounds as if your clear coat has failed in some spots. The spots that get dull and odd are also where the red paint comes from?

[refurbish]

is the paint oxidized ?

[MikeSpike]

@refurbish
If the paint is oxidized i really don's know.
How can i see that?

@Murr1525
Can you give me a list off the best meguiars products wich i
can use and in wich steps, after that i directly going to order
these products and yes i think that there comes the
paint of at this spots but i also think that the red paint on the
car originally doesn't have a clear coat on it.

Ist there also a goed product for it that protects these spots

Thnx again

[Murr1525]

Well, in my experience, if a car is clearcoated, none of the paint color will go on your pad. If the car has no clearcoat, then all of the car should get the color on your pad. If you have a spotty clearcoat, or failied in some spots, the only complete fix is a whole new clearcoat. You'll probably have to keep up with the polish and wax often in order to have it look reasonable if you dont want to re-clearcoat your car.

That said, you can still try out using all the steps, and they will certainly work on your other car as well then.

1 - A quality car wash.. Gold Class and Nxt wash are among the best. Pick what you like.

2 - Claying.. The Meguiars Quick Clay system will work well, and it will help clean off any other contaminants stuck to the paint, and even glass.

3 - Paint Cleaner.. You are going to have quite a few choices here.. Deep Crystal #1 is in the consumer line, but is just a chemical cleaner. #9, or #83, even ColorX, have some abrasives in it, which will get rid of swirls. For really bad swirls, you can use ScratchX. It can work wonders, but will take a looong time and lots of effort. But the outcomes are usualy worth it.

4 - Polish.. The Deep Crystal Step #2 Polish is probably the best polish to apply by hand.

5 - Wax.. Nxt Wax seems like the best wax at the moment, as far as protection goes. And looks pretty darn good too.

Also, you can order any tools you may need as well. . sponges, towels, applicator pads, etc.. If you order over the phone, the customer service people will be very helpfull as well, making sure you have all the tools you need.

Those steps will be a good place to start, (I assumed you were working by hand). They will certainly help with your black car.. though the red paint sounds pretty bad.. you might not get too much better.

[Jetskied]

It sounds like the car is oxidized. I recomend clayinmg to get rid of the imbeded contaminates and follow with ColorX, Body Scrub, Deep Crystal 1, or if you can get professional products #9 or #80. I prefer #80. Then follow with either wax. I never used NXT, but Gold Class really deepns the color of black or red. NXT is suppose to do the same if not better than GC.

[MikeSpike]

Ok guys thank you i wil buy all the things and try it.

I will post some pictures from the results

[Mike Phillips]

Just curious,

What kind of car is it and what year was it manufactured?

Murr1525 pretty much nailed it when he wrote,

Well, in my experience, if a car is clear coated, none of the paint color will go on your pad. If the car has no clearcoat, then all of the car should get the color on your pad. If you have a spotty clearcoat, or failed in some spots, the only complete fix is a whole new clearcoat. You'll probably have to keep up with the polish and wax often in order to have it look reasonable if you don't want to re-clearcoat your car.

If this is originally a single stage finish, then it should have a uniform look over the entire finish, whether it's a uniform oxidized look or whatever. If it was originally clear coated and now has areas where the clear coat is missing, this should be very apparent just by looking at the finish as in most cases the color coat of a two-part paint system has no gloss, the color coat is usually flat and gets its gloss from the clear coat.

If this is the case then the cure is a new paint job as no product poured out of a bottle is going to fix the areas where the clear coat is missing.

If this car was originally a single stage finish and is now oxidized and is oxidizing continually, then you need to use a paint cleaner to clean the surface and then gorge this finish with one of our pure polishes like the Deep Crystal Polish. These polishing oils will help to stabilize the paint and slow down the oxidation process by displacing air and water in the microscopic surface imperfections.

Read this article,

Why Meguiar's recommends polishing paint

Take a good hood shot after washing and drying and post it to the forum.

Best of luck...

[MikeSpike]

Hi,

it's an:

VW Golf GTI 16V from '89

[Mike Phillips]

Originally posted by MikeSpike
Hi,

it's an:

VW Golf GTI 16V from '89

It was during the 1980's that car manufactures began experimenting with clear coat finishes and switching over to them, but it sounds like your car probably started out as a non-clear coat finish, that is to say, it is what we call a single stage finish. As such, you will always see a little pigment when you clean, polish and wax it.

After claying, cleaning with a paint cleaner like ScratchX or Deep Crystal Paint Cleaner, work in well, a thorough application of Deep Crystal Polish, (or any pure polish from our Professional Line), and then apply to thin coats of wax. This will be the most you can do to restore and preserve your car's finish. After that always wash with a non-detergent car wash like our Gold Class Car Wash and maintain with regular polishing and waxing and your car should look like a million bucks!

[MikeSpike]

Ok thnx !


So i will do this first i will start with
-washing it with meguiars carwash
-Claying with Quik Clay Detailing System
-cleaning with Scratch X
-polishing with STEP 2 – Deep Crystal Polish (don't i need to do step 1 and 3 ?)
-Waxing with liquid wax gold class

Is this the right way ??

Thnx

[Vandelete]

the setup looks good i would say go for it...and yes it is possible to skip step 1 and 3. go for it and post some nice pics after the job though