Very disappointed with Gold Class Wash

[akimel]

Re: Very disappointed with Gold Class Wash

I have experienced problems with water spotting with the new Ultimate Wash & Wax. No matter what I do (wash in the shade, keep the car wet, etc), the water spots appear. These spots actually look different than those that appear with ordinary wash shampoos: they look like tiny droplets. I presume that this is somehow related to the dispersed wax that UWW leaves behind.

As a general rule, I always follow-up a wash and dry with a quick detail wipe, precisely to eliminate any spotting--and there is always spotting. I haven't yet been able to figure out a wash & dry technique that doesn't leave behind water spots. The water here in Roanoke has a high mineral content and apparently I can't get the car dried quickly enough. I eliminated the quick detailer step with Ultimate W&W because I didn't want to remove the "wax" left behind by the shampoo. Well, I've learned my lesson.

To the original poster: I understand your frustration. The water spot problem is probably not caused by the Gold Class shampoo. You may be able to correct the problem by changing your technique (wash the car in the early morning or early evening, keep the car wet throughout the wash process, etc.), or you may find, as I have found, that you need to either add a lubricating aid (Last Touch, Quik Detailer, or perhaps even Ultimate Quik Wax) to your drying method or wipe down the car with a quick detailer immediately after you have dried it. Good luck!

[Markus Kleis]

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I have to try using LT as a drying aid. I just got my order from ADS and have a gallon of LT. Would I use it full-strrngth or at 1:1?

sorry for the minor hijacking.

Either or, I personally use it 50/50 and it works great for fresh spots. For spots that may be a few hours to a few days old, I use it full strength.

Also, if you really want to get persnickety about it, you should use deionized water to dilute the LT - which can be had by the gallon at WalMart for under a buck a gallon.

[Shawn T.]

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I have to try using LT as a drying aid. I just got my order from ADS and have a gallon of LT. Would I use it full-strrngth or at 1:1?

sorry for the minor hijacking.

[akimel]

Re: Very disappointed with Gold Class Wash

I have found that I virtually always need to follow-up my washing with a quick detailer wipedown to remove any water spotting that was created by the wash-dry process. It's very frustrating. Some like to use Last Touch as a drying aid.

[Fly Bye]

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a bad bottle of Gold Class car wash.

While anything is possible, a defective bottle of Gold Class car wash shampoo in highly unlikely. The formula for soap/shampoo is not rocket science.

Soap is made from a mixture of the sodium salts of various fatty acids of natural oils and fats. The earliest recorded evidence of the production of soap-like materials dates back to around 2800 BC in Ancient Babylon. A formula for soap consisting of water, alkali and cassia oil was written on a Babylonian clay tablet around 2200 BC.

The Ebers papyrus (Egypt, 1550 BC) indicates that ancient Egyptians bathed regularly and combined animal and vegetable oils with alkaline salts to create a soap-like substance.


Courtesy of wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soap#Early_history

[InfiniteDetail]

Re: Very disappointed with Gold Class Wash

Definitely do some testing to narrow it down to either the water, or at worst a bad bottle of Gold Class car wash.

Just to give you an idea, I had to do a noon wash under the sun in 110* AZ heat on Saturday - no shade at all...and on a BLACK truck! I even had to dry it in the sun as it would not fit in my garage nor under a canopy.

I used Gold Class wash (my favorite by far) and did not have a *single* water spot. I hook my hose up to the water softener and use only soft water for washing.

FWIW, As a pro detailer, I prefer Gold Class over any and all other car washes available. I'd hate to see you give up on a great product for the wrong reasons.

Good luck

[Andrew C.]

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To be fair to MSUBlake827, let's not jump to conclusions, maybe he got a bad bottle of soap.

Yeah MSUBlake827, sorry if it seems like some of us suddenly jumped on your case pointing the finger at you. Gold Class Wash is one of the favorite washes to most of the members here on the forum, and we never tend to have any problems result from it. Rather than water spots, we traditionally see stellar results which is why most of us believe it isn't the wash, but rather your water.

Sit tight and wait until Monday when an actual Meguiar's Representative can get back to you on this.

It's a great wash that many of us swear by, and we hate hearing that you haven't quite had the results that we have had with it. Thanks for your patience.

[Fly Bye]

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GC does not cause any water spotting. You water spots are from your actual tap water. It may have a high concentration of minerals resulting in water spots.

Don't think it was the Gold Class, been using it for years without any problems and on ocassion drying in the sun, no water spots

Yeah, I don't think it's the gold class.

Only drying water causes water spots, not a soap.

Agreed.

Sadly, it is the source of water that is the problem - not the soap.

As everyone else has said, its your water not the soap.

Like everyone else said, the problem you're seeing is not caused by the gold class soap.

It is your water. Not the gold class.

[Bill Davidson]

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To be fair to MSUBlake827, let's not jump to conclusions, maybe he got a bad bottle of soap. Perhaps some controlled experiments are needed.

If you do remove the spots, try a test spot with the water you were using alone. Then try adding the Gold Class soap. You could also do another test with the soap that you traditionally use.

I'd be interested in your findings MSUBlake827. Keep in mind that this is a Fathers Day weekend and some of the regular Meguiar's mods are unavalable. Likely you will see recommendations by Meguiar's by Monday. If not I would contact the customer service hotline.

BTW do you have any photos of the water spots. I'd love to see the GT500 even if was after the fact at the car show.

p.s. welcome to the forum.

Bill

[ClearlyCoated]

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I haven't read through all of the replies, but I would recommend changing your rinsing method. Try flood rinsing or rinsing with deionized water. Flood rinsing merely involves holding en open ended hose over the car and letting the water sheet over the entire surface. The sheeting action actually removes most of the water from your car's surface, but you will need to follow that up with some towel drying or using compressed air or a leaf blower to remove the trace water.

[Tuck91]

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I think this is the first Gold Class Shampoo "complaint thread".

One of the things I have found is that very few people use common sense when washing a vehicle.

[DualActionDetail]

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Could it possibly be too high a concentration of soap?

[J. A. Michaels]

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It is your water. Not the gold class.

[Marc08EX]

Re: Very disappointed with Gold Class Wash

Like everyone else said, the problem you're seeing is not caused by the gold class soap.

[Andrew C.]

Re: Very disappointed with Gold Class Wash

As everyone else has said, its your water not the soap. Is your water in your area fairly hard?