• If this is your first visit, be sure to check out the FAQ by clicking the link above. You may have to register before you can post: click the register link above to proceed. To start viewing messages, select the forum that you want to visit from the selection below.

Announcement

Collapse
No announcement yet.

Trouble with m105

Collapse
X
 
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • Trouble with m105

    This past week I attempted to use M105 to tackle some bad swirls from a body shop that put my car through an automatic wash and hand dried it with a nasty chamois.
    I read a lot about the product and how priming the pad properly really helps in keeping the product working well. So I proceeded to prime an orange 4" pad with m105 (UDM), rubbing it into the pad quite well leaving it a little whiter all around (it was a very consistent color change on the pad surface). Next, I put a medium thickness x accross the pad and began on a 12"x12" area. To my surprise, the polish seemed to lighten considerably after the first pass and was completely gone by the second pass. In fact, the only remains of it on the paint was a small section of liquid m105 where I lifted the pad off the paint when finished. I used some QD to wipe that off. I saw a decent amount of correction, but expected more on pretty soft Scion paint, based on what I've seen online. I continued to do the rest of my hood and door, with moderate results. I saw some hazing so I used Menz FP to remove the haze. It did. I backed the car into the sun and saw some pretty awesome results. The only defects left were occasional long scratches, although they didn't look very deep. I conceded them, and went on to LSP. This weekend was the first time I got a chance to wash the vehicle since then, and to my horror, I discovered a lot of hazing and other defects on my hood. I also discovered holograms throughout my doors and rear quarter panels. I must be doing something terribly wrong with M105, and the oily menzerna must have fillled those in. I'm really quite upset at myself for not doing a proper IPA wipedown and test spot, considering I spent nearly 8 hours on the paint that day... all down the drain.

    I'm planning on picking up some m205 this thursday and giving it a shot as soon as I get some time. Does anyone have any input or ideas on what I did wrong or how to fix it?

  • #2
    Re: Trouble with m105

    From what I have heard that is normal. 105 is an aggressive compund and is supposed to leave holograms and micromarring. The 205 should take care of it without a problem though. I wouldn't be worried if I was you. Use 205 on a finishing or polishing pad and you should see perfect results. I have never used either one, or any paint correction machine, so my knowledge is limited. But that is what I have learned atfer reading up on the products. I think 105 is supposed to be followed up with 205.

    Comment


    • #3
      Re: Trouble with m105

      Well you have already identified your problem. M105 left behind hazing and micromarring, which isn't unusual especially for a soft scion paint. The menzerna polish merely masked them and filled it in. To properly fix this, you are going to need to use something that will actually remove the micromarring rather than just mask it. M205 is a good choice to do this with!

      I once put swirls in my paint just to see what it looked like.

      I don't always detail cars, but when I do, I prefer Meguiar's.
      Remove swirls my friends.

      Comment


      • #4
        Re: Trouble with m105

        If you believe the paint on your Scion to be "pretty soft" then it just may be that the light cutting pad combined with M105 was just way too aggressive for it. We've seen some pretty delicate paint come through Meguiar's Garage in recent months and anything more aggressive than M66 or D151 on a finishing pad overpowered them. Out of curiosity, what have you used on this car in the past? How happy were you with the results?

        If you're going to give M205 a shot then by all means do so with a polishing pad, whether a Meguiar's W8207/W8006 yellow polishing pad or the Lake Country white pad if that's your choice. Set your buffer to a slightly lower speed than you did when using the M105 and maybe even ease up on the pressure a bit.
        Michael Stoops
        Senior Global Product & Training Specialist | Meguiar's Inc.

        Remember, this hobby is supposed to be your therapy, not the reason you need therapy.

        Comment


        • #5
          Re: Trouble with m105

          Couple questions for you.

          1. What speed were you running the machine at?

          2. Did you try to use M105 with a larger diameter pad as opposed to the 4"?

          3. Did you try a less aggressive pad? If you were using the Lake Country 4" pad, it may have marred the surface, as it is considered a light cutting pad.

          Rather than use the machine, why don't you go ahead and apply some M105 by hand using a foam applicator, a microfiber applicator, or a microfiber towel. Apply briskly in straight lines (this way, you will be able to tell if you are creating new scratches once you've wiped the residue away). Then, wipe the area clean using a microfiber towel. If you see that the surface looks better, then the M105 is likely not the culprit. Inspect your work closely- check to see that the original scratches were removed or minimized. You are also looking to see if perhaps new scratches were added using hand application. If the surface looks better, then you may want to switch to a larger diameter or less aggressive pad. Speed setting is also important.

          Do the hand application test first, then post your results.
          Kevin Brown
          NXTti Instructor, Meguiar's/Ford SEMA Team, Meguiar's Distributor/Retailer

          Comment


          • #6
            Re: Trouble with m105

            Originally posted by Andrew C. View Post
            Well you have already identified your problem. M105 left behind hazing and micromarring, which isn't unusual especially for a soft scion paint. The menzerna polish merely masked them and filled it in. To properly fix this, you are going to need to use something that will actually remove the micromarring rather than just mask it. M205 is a good choice to do this with!
            you were obviously using it wrong because menzerna does not fill

            Comment


            • #7
              Re: Trouble with m105

              M105 work best for me when I used a 6.5-in flat LC white pad (instead of a smaller pad), spread with power off, then adjusted to polish where it disappears in about 3 passes. This was more or less how Mike demo'ed it. If I polished longer than after it goes, marring increased especially with CCS pads.
              Al
              ~ Providing biased opinions

              Comment

              Your Privacy Choices
              Working...
              X