Xtra Cut Microfiber Discs

[davey g-force]

Re: Xtra Cut Microfiber Discs

There are no equivalent foam pads to MF pads. MF has far more cut, so cannot compare the two.

*edit* maybe a MF finishing pad may have a similar level of cut to one of the more aggressive foam pads, but I've never heard the two being compared, nor am I sure why you'd want to.

[punkguins]

Re: Xtra Cut Microfiber Discs

I was curious about the cutting and finishing discs (DMC6 and DMF6) that come in the Meguiars DA Microfiber Correction System: what foam discs do these relate to? For instance, would the cutting disc, DMC6, be considered the same as an orange (or yellow) Lake Country disc ? And would the DMF6 be equivalent to the Lake Country grey (or maybe white)?

Just wondering how microfiber pads relate and which foam pads are their counterparts (if at all). Since I have both now, want to know how to use the tools in my toolbox!

[ShineOCD]

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I notice these pads say "best for flat areas", if were buffing a car with a lot of curves etc, is it best to just use the regular cutting discs then?

See post #15 from Mr Stoops. Just need to exercise caution

[Woodie6250]

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As a huge fan of the DA MF system, this has just shot to the top of my "Want" list.

[Michael Stoops]

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how's that for irony...

definition of declamation:

exercise in oratory or elocution, as in the recitation of a classic speech.

That's MOL for you - teaching how to detail cars while enhancing your vocabulary. We are the thinking man's detailing forum!!!

[Stephan]

Re: Xtra Cut Microfiber Discs

Talk to text, Go figure.

how's that for irony...

definition of declamation:

exercise in oratory or elocution, as in the recitation of a classic speech.

[Superior Shine]

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Delamination?

Talk to text, Go figure.

[davey g-force]

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Declamation is a non-issue in my testing.

Delamination?

[Superior Shine]

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I've had these for over two or three years already to help the powers that be develop them. Cutting is outrageous!!! I like them best on large flat areas where cutting always seems the hardest to do. Yes I use the "foamed" backed discs for slightly curved areas and foam pads for highly curved areas. I haven't used these with m100 but they are amazing with M101, M105!! Declamation is a non-issue in my testing.

[davey g-force]

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No, not at all. A modern, catalyzed clear coat really doesn't like heat from friction, especially at higher levels. Back in the days of single stage lacquers there were arguments made for the heating and reflowing of the paint to remove defects, but even as a concept that's sort of a dangerous thing as the difference between the heat needed to allegedly "reflow" the paint and that required to quite literally burn it are pretty close. A modern clear will go from getting really hot to burned very suddenly. There is nothing positive to be gained from heating up a catalyzed clear coat.

You can achieve major correction on a modern paint system with virtually no heat introduced to the surface at all. Yes, some heat is going to occur as a by-product of the friction caused by the compounding step, but it's really of no benefit.

Wow, that's news to me. I too thought you needed some degree of heat to achieve correction.

When I finish buffing a section and I feel the pad with my hand and it's a bit warm I think "good it's working". (Obviously I know too much heat is bad.)

[Meticulous-Detail]

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No, not at all. A modern, catalyzed clear coat really doesn't like heat from friction, especially at higher levels. Back in the days of single stage lacquers there were arguments made for the heating and reflowing of the paint to remove defects, but even as a concept that's sort of a dangerous thing as the difference between the heat needed to allegedly "reflow" the paint and that required to quite literally burn it are pretty close. A modern clear will go from getting really hot to burned very suddenly. There is nothing positive to be gained from heating up a catalyzed clear coat.

You can achieve major correction on a modern paint system with virtually no heat introduced to the surface at all. Yes, some heat is going to occur as a by-product of the friction caused by the compounding step, but it's really of no benefit.

[OhioCarBuff]

Re: Xtra Cut Microfiber Discs

I notice these pads say "best for flat areas", if were buffing a car with a lot of curves etc, is it best to just use the regular cutting discs then?

[Michael Stoops]

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Correct me me if I am wrong, but don't we need some level of heat to correct paint?

No, not at all. A modern, catalyzed clear coat really doesn't like heat from friction, especially at higher levels. Back in the days of single stage lacquers there were arguments made for the heating and reflowing of the paint to remove defects, but even as a concept that's sort of a dangerous thing as the difference between the heat needed to allegedly "reflow" the paint and that required to quite literally burn it are pretty close. A modern clear will go from getting really hot to burned very suddenly. There is nothing positive to be gained from heating up a catalyzed clear coat.

You can achieve major correction on a modern paint system with virtually no heat introduced to the surface at all. Yes, some heat is going to occur as a by-product of the friction caused by the compounding step, but it's really of no benefit.

[Meticulous-Detail]

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More cut vs faster cut is sort of a matter of semantics, isn't it?

As to the issue of potential heat, yes, there can be more and this is definitely taking the aggressiveness of the DA buffer up yet another notch. But as long as you're not leaning on the darn things, we aren't really seeing any more heat at the backing plate/pad interface than we do with the red foamed cutting discs.

Now, as we all know, the more the aggressiveness goes up, the more safety comes down - at least to some degree. So, yes, you'll want to be a bit more cautious on sharp body creases and older, thinner paint. As with everything else in this process, common sense goes a long way. Charles, you bring up a very interesting and astute point - having played with these pads a fair bit (and they do indeed cut like crazy on very hard paint) with an without a foam interface pad between it and the backing plate, I can tell you that you can indeed do a bit of "tuning" if you so desire. You will, however, notice an immediate reduction in cut by placing an interface pad into the mix.

Correct me me if I am wrong, but don't we need some level of heat to correct paint?

[jankerson]

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No need to hide, we know people love M105, M101 and M100 on microfiber pads. And, yes, M100 is just a defect cutting demon on these.

Have the 5" Pro backing plate and some MF Cutting Discs coming to see how they work for me, haven't tried the MF discs yet, will be using M105 with them.

But if they bridge the gap between the DA and rotary like they are supposed to I am sure I will be happy.

I do miss my rotary and wool pads......

I do want to get that Light Weight Flex rotary soon though.....