M20 or M21????

[Troy Fuller]

Re: M20 or M21????

Anyone know how much oils are in M44?

[Troy Fuller]

Re: M20 or M21????

Hey Tim, how many ounces do you think it will take to clean all four sides?

[Tim Lingor]

Re: M20 or M21????

Thank you for getting back to me Tim.

I think I will pick up a bottle of M44 and M20. I was planning to do the polish/cleaning by rotary with polishing pad and apply the wax by DA with a finishing pad. I think a DA is the only way to go on a gelcoat because of the large pores that need to be filled.

I will post pics when I am done.

Thanks everyone for your help.

Hey Troy,

Based on your pictures I really do not think you will need a rotary. Using a rotary can introduce other problems (buffer trails and if you get too close to the decals, possibly their instant removal). Since you have the DA, use the M44 or M67 and follow that with M20.

If you use a rotary, then you may wish to use M49 instead as it will stay wet longer giving you more working time. Run the rotary at ~1300 rpm.

Please do post before and after shots!!! I look forward in seeing them! If you have any questions, just ask!

Good Luck!

Tim

[Troy Fuller]

Re: M20 or M21????

Thank you for getting back to me Tim.

I think I will pick up a bottle of M44 and M20. I was planning to do the polish/cleaning by rotary with polishing pad and apply the wax by DA with a finishing pad. I think a DA is the only way to go on a gelcoat because of the large pores that need to be filled.

I will post pics when I am done.

Thanks everyone for your help.

[Tim Lingor]

Re: M20 or M21????

Hey Troy,


Those are just black streaks from the rubber roof. Meg's M20 should be able to remove them, but if it leaves ghost streaks (very light outlines where the streaks used to be) then using the Protect All Black Streak Cleaner, or even Meg's M44 Color Restorer will easily remove them. If you can find a store with the discontinued Meg's Black Streak Remover, grab a few bottles as it is an excellent product!!!

Otherwise, after a good thorough wash, remove the black streaks, and then a good coat of M20 worked in with a DA polisher like Meg's G110 V2, and a few polishing pads, and it should come out looking awesome!

I hope this helps!

Tim

[Troy Fuller]

Re: M20 or M21????

Hey Tim, that is a nice RV you have there. Its so reflective!

Sorry it has taken so long but here are a couple pics.

Not too bad. What would you recommend from viewing the pictures. This shows the worst parts.

Thank you

[Tim Lingor]

Re: M20 or M21????

Wow I had some catching up to do, thanks guys!

Sorry, I have been experimenting the ULtimate line for the first time.

The RV has very light staining and is in pretty good shape because it's only a year or so old.

With that said, what would be your recommendation Tim? I would like to add te oils back in while protecting it for as long as possible. He was very concerned with the longevity.

Thanks again guys, you have been so much help!

Hi Tony,

Is the RV fiberglass or aluminum with automotive paint?

If the RV is a year old, the staining which I assume is black streaks due to the rubber roof, the M20 should easily remove that as well due to the chemical cleaner in it. However, if it does not remove the light staining, then a black streak remover should be used. Protec All makes a really good product for that...

http://www.protectall.com/bslong.aspx

I normally use the Meguiar's Black Streak Remover but I believe it has been discontinued.

If the staining is far worse, then either M44 Color Restorer or if it is really bad, then M67. Follow any of these with a good uniform coat of M20.

If the M20 does not do it or does not work well on your particular RV, then we can look at other options or even brands like Pro Wax RV and Aircraft Wax which has substantially more cut than a typical cleaner wax, but does not last as long as a good sealant.

Here are a couple of pics of my own travel trailer...







Tim

[Murr1525]

Re: M20 or M21????

Well, staining may want a more dedicated cleaner like the #45, or more of a cleaner/wax.

[Troy Fuller]

Re: M20 or M21????

Bump....

[Troy Fuller]

Re: M20 or M21????

Wow I had some catching up to do, thanks guys!

Sorry, I have been experimenting the ULtimate line for the first time.

The RV has very light staining and is in pretty good shape because it's only a year or so old.

With that said, what would be your recommendation Tim? I would like to add te oils back in while protecting it for as long as possible. He was very concerned with the longevity.

Thanks again guys, you have been so much help!

[greg0303]

Re: M20 or M21????

I must agree 100% with Tim that M20 behavior is totally different that most cleaner waxes due to its super mild cleaners.

Mike Phillips considers it a hybrid cleaner wax because of blending of natural and synthetic ingredients in M20:

http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/hot-topics-frequently-asked-questions/23263-difference-between-cleaner-wax-finishing-wax.html

[Murr1525]

Re: M20 or M21????

Good catch on the numbers, didnt think to check if it was the right one.

[Tim Lingor]

Re: M20 or M21????

Tim is certainly correct here. M45 is a PURE POLISH not a cleaner polish. M20 has been around for quite awhile and is a great product.

Tim,

Weren't you one the the original testers of M21 and M21 v 2?

Andy

Hi Andy,

Yes, I was. I have used them both on so many paints and surfaces! Heck, M20 is one of the best products for chrome! As such, I have many gallons on hand of each at all times.

Also to give an opinion, for what it is worth, M26 looks nothing like M20. Meg's M26 is a carnauba wax blend which imparts a nice golden glow to the paint. This makes M26 perfect for reds and blacks. But M20 is the exact opposite; it is beautifully clear which gives a silvery shimmer to blacks and makes whites, silvers and beige metallics just glisten! In terms of durability, M20 or M21 far outlast M26, but I would put M26 up against the best and most exotic carnaubas on the market.

Tim

[Andy M.]

Re: M20 or M21????

Just to chime in...

1. Meguiar's M20 Polymer Sealant is a polymer sealant and not a cleaner wax. It is a polymer and wax blend and is quite different than a true cleaner wax like M06 Cleaner Wax or M66 etc. Yes, it does have mild cleaners but it is not a true cleaner wax. On a boat or RV, I use M20 about 90% of the time. Most of the time, I apply two layers for uniform coverage.

M21 is a full synthetic sealant. It works very well, and provides a deep rich and wet looking finish.

M20 works much better in the cold, and applies and removes incredibly easily. In terms of longevity, M21 wins, but not by much. I have used literally gallons and gallons of both products and their difference in longevity is negligible.

2. M45 is a pure polish (just like M07, M05, M81) which is designed to add TS oils to the gel coat etc to add richness to the paint. It is not a cleaner type product. For cleaning in more of a one step, try M50 Cleaner Wax.

Perhaps people meant M44 Color Restorer?

M44 is a very mild cleaner that works very well on gel coats.

If you need something stronger, M67 by hand or machine or M49 by rotary.

I hope this helps!

Tim

Tim is certainly correct here. M45 is a PURE POLISH not a cleaner polish. M20 has been around for quite awhile and is a great product.

Tim,

Weren't you one the the original testers of M21 and M21 v 2?

Andy

[Tim Lingor]

Re: M20 or M21????

Just to chime in...

1. Meguiar's M20 Polymer Sealant is a polymer sealant and not a cleaner wax. It is a polymer and wax blend and is quite different than a true cleaner wax like M06 Cleaner Wax or M66 etc. Yes, it does have mild cleaners but it is not a true cleaner wax. On a boat or RV, I use M20 about 90% of the time. Most of the time, I apply two layers for uniform coverage.

M21 is a full synthetic sealant. It works very well, and provides a deep rich and wet looking finish.

M20 works much better in the cold, and applies and removes incredibly easily. In terms of longevity, M21 wins, but not by much. I have used literally gallons and gallons of both products and their difference in longevity is negligible (at least in my environment).

2. M45 is a pure polish (just like M07, M05, M81) which is designed to add TS oils to the gel coat etc to add richness to the paint/gel coat. It is not a cleaner type product. For cleaning in more of a one step, try M50 Cleaner Wax.

Perhaps people meant M44 Color Restorer?

M44 is a very mild cleaner that works very well on gel coats.

If you need something stronger, M67 by hand or machine or M49 by rotary.

I hope this helps!

Tim