M21 why even bother w/anything else...?

[Mless5]

Re: M21 why even bother w/anything else...?

Hi, I just used M21 on a bmw in extreme makeover sectioned and I was blown away how easy it was to buff it compared to Zaino. Let's see how long it will last.

[HammerDown]

Re: M21 why even bother w/anything else...?

Era, I don't think there's any "water" in M21.

[farmboy]

Re: M21 why even bother w/anything else...?

I also am a fan of 21. It's durability has impressed me, but the seperation has not. I poured out have of the bottle that was straight water. After I drained it off I shook, shook , and shook it some more and it finally returned to a gel form. It worked well after that, but I sure makes it expessive.

[HammerDown]

Re: M21 why even bother w/anything else...?

Yep, did the swipe test, low humidity, temps in the upper 60's and applied in the sun for a better cure time. The surface had been properly prepped also. Still had streaks. I'm going to keep using it to see if I still have that problem. That's the main reason I switched to NXT paste from the liquid, no streaking. I'd really like to keep using M21 for it's durability.

Mike

I don't know what to tell ya Mike, I try not to apply any product in the direct Sun or especially if the surface is (HOT)...but I don't have any problems with my M21 at all goes on and comes off like butter.

Maybe you should contact Mike Phillips here on the Forum for some further suggestion.

[mh68]

Re: M21 why even bother w/anything else...?

No "streaking" issues here, and with a Black car that would show it the worst.
Are you allowing a long enough drying time, applying in the sun, shaking the product well etc?

Yep, did the swipe test, low humidity, temps in the upper 60's and applied in the sun for a better cure time. The surface had been properly prepped also. Still had streaks. I'm going to keep using it to see if I still have that problem. That's the main reason I switched to NXT paste from the liquid, no streaking. I'd really like to keep using M21 for it's durability.

Mike

[bernard78]

Re: M21 why even bother w/anything else...?

Yesterday did a Black Color Mercedes, it was quite a hot day. Spend whole day removing swirls & defects with M80. At the end was kinda sad while wiping of the M21, lots of "streaking". But use QD & manage to clear up some but not all. Guess I should have use M20 since it was a hot day.

Told the guy tht it was normal for a hot day. After a few days & a wash it'll clear up.

[HammerDown]

Re: M21 why even bother w/anything else...?

Better yet, I've suggested a paste version. I used M21 last fall for the first time and had the same streaking problem I had with NXT liquid that I don't have with NXT paste.

Mike

No "streaking" issues here, and with a Black car that would show it the worst.
Are you allowing a long enough drying time, applying in the sun, shaking the product well etc?

[mh68]

Re: M21 why even bother w/anything else...?

Again I must say I wish Meguiars would come out with a (quick spray) version of the M21.

NXT Quick Spray, nahhhh...I also have that and it's collecting a lot of dust right along with my Tin of NXT Paste.

Better yet, I've suggested a paste version. I used M21 last fall for the first time and had the same streaking problem I had with NXT liquid that I don't have with NXT paste.

Mike

[HammerDown]

Re: M21 why even bother w/anything else...?

Again I must say I wish Meguiars would come out with a (quick spray) version of the M21.

NXT Quick Spray, nahhhh...I also have that and it's collecting a lot of dust right along with my Tin of NXT Paste.

[sneek]

Re: M21 why even bother w/anything else...?

Well, I am playing with the speed of application. I find that if I apply it at speed 5 and work it in really well, then it takes less time to haze. I am not applying much pressure, but I am making many of over lapping passes. Note that I don't recommended doing this because it could become dangerous. At speed 5 the PC is turning quite fast, usually you would apply pressure to work something in, in turn slowing the speed of the pad, but because #21 is a sealant it does not need to break down. I am not quite sure how the velcro on finishing pads hold up to such a high speed, so try it at your own risk.

[OhioCarBuff]

Re: M21 why even bother w/anything else...?

Despite #21 having a more watery consistency then NXT, does it seem to deposit a thicker layer down when buffed out? I sure can't wait to try it out!

[RamAirV1]

Re: M21 why even bother w/anything else...?

sneek you're starting to worry me. really?

is this what i have to look forward to when i do mine with M21 this summer.

i thought the wait time for NXT was long. oh boy.

Heat is not a problem, I think it is the humidity and cold weather, which may be causing a problem for Sneek.

I used to have trouble with MPPP (Medallion) in cold weather, but in the heat of summer it would haze up quickly.

TH0001 is in FL IIRC and it is a lot more humid there than in the Midwest or in Canada.

The effect of humidity is considerable, more than I realized. Out in Cali they don't have high humidity so they have it easy!

Sneek, if you have any tips to bring down the haze time, feel free to share them!

RamAirV1

[TrufflePig]

Re: M21 why even bother w/anything else...?

I live in a place where it is very dry, and sometime it takes almost 2 hours to fully pass the swipe test. I am playing with how I apply it ( not Meguiar's recommended techniques) and the time is coming down.

sneek you're starting to worry me. really?

is this what i have to look forward to when i do mine with M21 this summer.

i thought the wait time for NXT was long. oh boy.

[sneek]

Re: M21 why even bother w/anything else...?

21 is awesome, the only problem is the EXCESSIVE haze times in humid weather. It has taken almost an hour in some cases to swipe clean.

I live in a place where it is very dry, and sometime it takes almost 2 hours to fully pass the swipe test. I am playing with how I apply it ( not Meguiar's recommended techniques) and the time is coming down.

[RamAirV1]

Re: M21 why even bother w/anything else...?

21 is awesome, the only problem is the EXCESSIVE haze times in humid weather. It has taken almost an hour in some cases to swipe clean.

The #21 has what they call a long "wetting time" so it can be used with a rotary buffer. That's why it can take longer to dry. I see the same thing in cold weather. I also wish they would reduce that, or have a separate formula for rotary users! It's a great product though otherwise.

RamAirV1