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    The Situation
    As some of you may know, Australia and some other countries are face immense drought. We don’t really get rain, and when we do, its VERY VERY little – approx 1-2mm per rainy day.

    So if you factor that in, just imagine the amount of water we would need to conserve when we use it in our houses – and MOST importantly, on our cars. Car washes here are doing ok, but we will be heading towards water restrictions that will place car washes out of business.

    Australia is a country with a big Meguiar ‘s following.

    The Task
    In order to flow with car care enthusiasts and the general public, there needs to be an AFFORDABLE, value for money, swirl free and scratch free waterless EXCLUSIVE product being brought out by the chemists in Meguiar’s HQ to tackle the waterless industry – in which to me, is booming at the moment. The amount of waterless products i use is crazy, and though it maybe expensive at first to the general public, the dilutions i use it at and the amount of care i place in2 waterless washing ends up saving me money at both waterless dedicated mobile detailers and normal self car wash servos.

    The Analysis
    As a Meguiar’s freak, im always looking for products that will be on par with the Meguiar’s standard. However, due to import costs and other distribution costs, value for money and affordability will always be an issue with 50% of the Meguiar’s products.

    Here’s something to illustrate this point:

    Meguiar’s Offering
    Meguiar’s Waterless Solution is very attractive, and definitely targeted for the waterless market. This link will take you to the AUMeguiar’s Waterless website:
    http://www.meguiars.com.au/waterless.htm
    Armed with a body duster, waterless spray and a specific waterless microfiber towel (a towel that has 10%-15% less microfiber “hair” so its not as expensive as the GC Supreme Plush Microfiber), its a pretty good package. All three can be purchased as a starter kit for $50AUD.

    However the down side: to continually support this product, individual prices are a bomb.
    Here’s why:
    · Official Meguiar’s Body Duster = $50AUD
    · Waterless spray 475ml = $15AUD
    · Waterless refill pack 2Litre = $40AUD
    · Can say much about microfiber towelling this is an expensive market anyway.
    · Last one to top it all off, the Waterless spray solution in 475ml&2Litre packages is actually the same (if not VERY similar) formulation to the Meguiar’s Last Touch detailing spray in the Meguiar’s Detailer Line.
    · It is much more affordable to purchase Last Touch as they come in 3.8Litre & costs $55AUD, however most consumers will never know of the same formulation and won’t support the Meguiar’s Waterless products. Even at $55AUD for 3.8Litres, its considered pricy.

    Competitors Offering
    In recent times, there is an Australian company offering a product that has been very quickly capitalising this market.
    The Style Magic Waterless Car Wash
    http://www.carmagic.com.au/
    http://www.jonnosmagicwash.com/products_outline.html
    · A Style Magic Waterless Spray including fine mist sprayer (1Litre) = $17
    · A Style Magic Waterless Refill Kit (1Litre) = $12
    · A Style Magic Waterless Refill Kit (5Litre) = $45
    Further advantages outlined:
    · Australian Made
    · Non Toxic
    · All Natural
    · No Petroleum
    · Can i add again, the price?

    Though there may not be a body duster and quality microfibers involved, the main comparisons are purchasing in bulk. Meguiar’s still does not have the market share within this sector. I know personally, that car dealers and mobile trade detailers purchase these babies in huge bulks, making prices EVEN more affordable.

    The Result
    Currently, our state government in Australia is rebating a bag of waterless goods. For every $50 spent, you will be rebated $30, so your purchase is only $20. AMAZING.
    If Meguiar’s had a product that was comparable towards the Style Magic Waterless solution, i reckon sales would go through the roof. The aspects stopping that from occurring are high prices/affordability & a dedicated waterless formula.
    Regards, Wilco
    There's No Shine Like Meguiar's

  • #2
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    Great points Wilco.
    As a Black car owner the drought also means there is more dust floating about and so I am using the waterless spray as a quick detailer during the week as well as trying to get a wash in on the weekend.
    I agree with your thoughts and can certainly see a growing market for these products.

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    • #3
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      Originally posted by bluey View Post
      Great points Wilco.
      As a Black car owner the drought also means there is more dust floating about and so I am using the waterless spray as a quick detailer during the week as well as trying to get a wash in on the weekend.
      I agree with your thoughts and can certainly see a growing market for these products.
      thanks for sharing your thoughts bluey.
      i felt compelled to share this with MOL because most of the time when im using Meguiar's detailing sprays (from any line), i feel really conserved by them, meaning: im very mindful how much each spray is costing me.

      i need a product where i can spray liberally without thinking each time i trigger the spray, it amounts to $0.50cents. Its that sinking gut feeling where you really want to use the product, but theres just not enough of it or it costs too much (I get this with UQD the most).
      Regards, Wilco
      There's No Shine Like Meguiar's

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      • #4
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        This is available in the US too?

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        • #5
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          Originally posted by MyFirstES300 View Post
          This is available in the US too?
          Yes but, it doesn't come together as a kit. The spray is Last touch in the detailer line. The towels are supreme shine microfiber. And the duster you can buy here as well.

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          • #6
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            Originally posted by saturn2 View Post
            Yes but, it doesn't come together as a kit. The spray is Last touch in the detailer line. The towels are supreme shine microfiber. And the duster you can buy here as well.
            OK, so correct me if I'm wrong, but is Last Touch equivalent to Optimum No Rinse? Right now, that seems to be the most popular "no rinse" product on the market without using a hose to rinse down the car, at least in the US.

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            • #7
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              ONR and Meguiar's Last Touch products are marketed differently in the US, at least. Wilco, do a search for "ONR" on MOL, and you will find a lot of people here use it and LOVE it.

              I think Meguiar's knows how much we all want them to come up with a comparable solution to the Optimum No Rinse product. Will Optimum export to Aussie Land, not sure.


              Southern California is heading for another drought this summer. The Snow pack in the mountains aren't looking good.

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              • #8
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                Yes we have ONR, DP 4in1 and QEW so you may want to give one of those a try.
                The Best Last Step, is the step backwards you take to admire your work!
                Originally posted by Mike Phillips
                If you use #7 on your car, you're not in good company... you're in GREAT company!

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                • #9
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                  Originally posted by MyFirstES300 View Post
                  OK, so correct me if I'm wrong, but is Last Touch equivalent to Optimum No Rinse? Right now, that seems to be the most popular "no rinse" product on the market without using a hose to rinse down the car, at least in the US.
                  Two entirely different products intended to be used entirely different ways to wash a vehicle.

                  There seems to be a lot of confusion about "Waterless" and "Rinseless" washes.

                  Waterless is just that for the end user. You don't use any additional water with the product. You spray the product on the paint and wipe it and the dirt off.

                  Rinseless or low water use products do have water mixed with them by the end user. Optimum ONR, Detailer's Pride *Rinseless Wash & Gloss and Protect-All Quick & Easy Wash are the three most popular, but not the only ones.
                  (*New version of the 4 in 1 product)

                  I have used three waterless products that I remember. Dri Wash 'n Guard, Wet Paint and Poorboy's Spray & Wipe. I happen to much prefer the S&W, but that's just my opinion.

                  I have also used the three rinseless products I listed. My feeling was that the results were very similar with all three with the QEW being my least preferred. As far as the other two, it is a tossup. There again, not everyone will agree with my choices.

                  In the U.S.. I would just say buy some and try them, but it sounds like experimenting can be very expensive for those outside of the U.S.
                  In that case, I think a major cost difference would influence me a little.
                  If the cost is not a big factor, I would probably go with the ONR for a rinseless product because of its popularity. (Although the other two work good.)

                  The S&W would be my waterless choice of the ones I have used. (I buy it by the gallon and would probably buy it in 5 gallons if the larger size wasn't such a hassle for me to store.)

                  One thing I would keep in mind. This is a growing market and I can't help but think Meguiar's will be in it one of these days. Maybe some patience would be advisable.
                  Charles
                  The Rainmaker

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                  • #10
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                    Charles, thank you for clearing up the "waterless" vs. "rinseless" differences. I had gotten the two confused. I appreciate your post, as you have given me some other products to consider in the future.

                    Like you, however, I am limited on space to store so many products. I try to use up what I have first before moving on to something new. The gallon sizes kill a lot of space for me as I do not have a garage or plenty of storage space.

                    I hope Meguiar's will follow suit and get into this growing market as you stated!

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                    • #11
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                      I don't think I would even consider the water restrictions and just go ahead and wash my car. There is no way I would let my lawn or my car suffer because of a drought. When we go for a long period here without water my water usage greatly increases because I am having to keep my grass green.

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                      • #12
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                        Originally posted by ShinyMopar View Post
                        I don't think I would even consider the water restrictions and just go ahead and wash my car. There is no way I would let my lawn or my car suffer because of a drought. When we go for a long period here without water my water usage greatly increases because I am having to keep my grass green.
                        There are several issues here.
                        For one thing, they may have a system of fines/penalties that will change your attitude pretty quickly.
                        Also, having a clean car and a green lawn may not be quite so valuable to you when you can't get a drink or take a shower.
                        The water shortage is a big problem in many parts of the world and the U.S. right now.
                        If we don't do something to help conserve good water, the worst is yet to come and our children and grandchildren will be the ones to suffer for it.
                        Charles
                        The Rainmaker

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                        • #13
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                          Originally posted by CharlesW View Post
                          There are several issues here.
                          For one thing, they may have a system of fines/penalties that will change your attitude pretty quickly.
                          Also, having a clean car and a green lawn may not be quite so valuable to you when you can't get a drink or take a shower.
                          The water shortage is a big problem in many parts of the world and the U.S. right now.
                          If we don't do something to help conserve good water, the worst is yet to come and our children and grandchildren will be the ones to suffer for it.
                          CharlesW, you have said that with VERY WELL and i'm 100% with you on that thought. I'd want to keep this thread on topic, so ShinyMopar if you could please keep your opinions re how you treat your car/lawn in times of drought to yourself, that would be great. It would also prevent people like me being outraged by your attitiude on this matter. Lets just say I wished I didnt read your post...

                          CharlesW thanks again for your clarification regarding no rinse and waterless products. I'm exclusively looking at waterless products and not those that require dilution of water - though i know its only a minimal amount (ie 4 to 5 litres compared to an average of 70L per wash)

                          I understand that their will be the need for patience regarding Meg's introducing a pure waterless solution, however seeing there hadnt been a pure waterless new product suggestion, i thought i would keep the ball rolling.

                          I believe waterless products will be the new 2molo of washing cars, as water is something countries such as US or Aust will always be scarce of - face the facts, the way we are burning up our planet can only lead to worse outcomes.

                          I'll soon be purchasing the Australian product 'Style Magic' waterless product and reviewing it with Meguiar's Waterless range (aka Last touch) to see just how it works. I'm very interested to see how a purely all natural product will perform.

                          FYI: the waterless kit in Aust comes with it's own microfibre type. It looks just like a GC Supreme Plush Microfibre but its not. The fibres are more appart and scarce than the Supreme product. You can also purchase a pack of 2 for the price of 1 Supreme plush microfibre, thus making it somewhat more cost effective.
                          Regards, Wilco
                          There's No Shine Like Meguiar's

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                          • #14
                            Re: Waterless Product

                            Good information in this thread.

                            All new product suggestions are reviewed on a monthly basis by upper management, so rest assured, your suggestions are being read and discussed.


                            Mike Phillips
                            760-515-0444
                            showcargarage@gmail.com

                            "Find something you like and use it often"

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                            • #15
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                              Mike, Great! Please give ONR a run for their money!

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