Future Pad(s)

[Rico]

Hello Meguiar's,

How about this? Sell pads with factory added product, which will service x amount of vehicles. No guesswork involved apply pad to 'dual-action buffer' place pad on vehicle & begin.

Eliminates clutter of numerous product bottles
Convenient usage < choose a polish or wax etc. pad >
Disposable after ( x amt of vehicles per pre-applied product to pad > toss it.
Greatly reduces chances for over/under usage of product

Take Care
Rico

[PorscheGuy997]

Re: Future Pad(s)

I hate to say this, but there is probably never going to be a pad like this.

The problem is that the pad must be cleaned often to remove used product. If you keep adding more and more product, the pad will become oversaturated and you won't get much if any correction.


Now, there may be some sampler bottles in the future, but I don't know...

[Hemin8r]

Re: Future Pad(s)

You would probably have to buy all kinds of pads with different products in them so you can choose which pad / with product is going to be right for the situation. You won't be able to use different combinations of pad with product. I agree with Porschguy997

[Rico]

Re: Future Pad(s)

Hi Guys,

Okay! This may be tricky & would require new engineering formulation of product.

Porscheguy997 wrote:
The problem is that the pad must be cleaned often to remove used product.

Something for Meguiar's engineers to overcome.

Porscheguy997 wrote:
If you keep adding more and more product, the pad will become oversaturated and you won't get much if any correction.

The concept is to not add anything to the pad, the factory has already added all the product. Hence over saturation could only be achieved by misuse.

Hemin8R wrote:
You would probably have to buy all kinds of pads with different products in them so you can choose which pad / with product is going to be right for the situation. You won't be able to use different combinations of pad with product.

Yes! As opposed to bottles cans etc. I have one garage shelf with all sorts of Meguiar's cans & bottles. The pad's would become replacements for the odd assortment of cans & bottles.

This concept is WAY different than what we were taught (PorscheGuy, pleasure meeting you in class) & therfore is met with skepticism & apprehension. From working to create such a new innovative product, would bring about many new innovations, even if the original idea failed.

Take Care
Rico

[Ryan L.]

Re: Future Pad(s)

Also thought when your fixing defects in paint, your removing paint. There is no way to get that out of a pad other than cleaning it.

So unless every car manufactuer doesn't paint their cars then that idea would work, but you wouldn't need to fix defects if there wasn't any paint.

Ryan

[Michael Stoops]

Re: Future Pad(s)

Pre-loading a pad with enough product to do an entire vehicle would pose several problems:

Weight of product on pad would result in something so heavy that a D/A buffer would have a hard time overcoming the mass. We already see this when people overuse a product due to lack of experience.

That much product in a pad on a rotary buffer would result in sling all over the work area and not much product left on/in the pad to correct defects. You can't make rigid sides to the pad to contain product either as the pad needs to "give" when working with it.

Product is prone to drying out if worked too long. How do you evacuate the "spent" product and move fresh product to the surface? This holds true, though in different ways, for both a diminishing abrasive product (think M80) or a micro abrasive product (think M105).

X-number of uses is a bit tricky as well: one car may respond beautifully to a single pass of M80/W8006. Another may need a couple of passes, or a pass of M83/W8006 followed by M80/W8006. Or M80/W9006. A lightly swirled Honda S2000 will, by nature of its size, require less product than a heavily swirled Ford F350 Super Cab. How do you define how much "mileage" you can get out of a pad? How long do you work a product in a given area vs how long the next guy does?

It's nice to be able to experiment with the same product on different pads, especially when a test spot reveals what you shouldn't use - that is, what combination does not get the job done. Imagine opening up a fresh pad/product combo only to find it's not really the right one for the job. Now what?

If you didn't use the entire pad/product combo how do you store it without it drying out? Or molding? Or both?

Sounds like an interesting idea on the face of it, but boy oh boy are there a lot of obstacles to overcome!!

The best idea is probably just to learn proper technique with the set of tools available. Which is a primary function of this and other forums.

[ColonelCash]

Re: Future Pad(s)

Wouldn't the pad gum up due to excess product? What happens when you run out of product and are left with a dry pad? Also, once you get dirt / old paint into the pad, you would spread that across your paint (causing damage).

I think I know what you are going after, but I don't know if this is a viable option for paint polishing / correction. They make similar pads for dress shoes that come preloaded with product. Personally, I've never seen any of them work after a couple times....and application is always suspect given the extra amount of product.

[J. A. Michaels]

Re: Future Pad(s)

On the surface is sounds great. But in the real world it will present more problems then it would solve. But I like the concept of it.

[Markus Kleis]

Re: Future Pad(s)

Forget pre-loaded pads... I just want some washable yellow and black small pads!

Heck, I would settle for any size between 5.5 and 3.5 inches... just something smaller, and more manageable.

I hate having to use pads from other makers for tight spots :/ (I love using small pads on my rotary and DA, but I hate that for the large panels I use a Meguiar's pad, and I have to re-test different pads to try and get the same results with other brands)

[Rico]

Re: Future Pad(s)

Hi Guys,

I acknowledge using today's formulated products with a factory applied product poses insurmountable problems. Re-formulation of products & pad, would be in order. The list of problems here would contain, many problems, plus new problems, Meguiar's engineers would find an have to overcome. The simplicity & idea of pre-applied product, is enticing. Should such a product exist (Meguiar's or competitor) I would try it. Should the pad catch on, watch the competition, play catch-up. Working on such a lofty goal is bound to pay dividends, in many areas.

Take Care
Rico