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  • #31
    Re: Ultimate Compound messed up my paint

    Originally posted by akimel View Post
    The above quotations raise a question about how long one should work Ultimate Compound or any of the new super micro-abrasive polishes. My understanding is that the new polishes do not need to be broken down, like the diminishing abrasive polishes do. If one does not break down a diminishing abrasive polish, one risks hazing; but this is not the case with the new polishes, at least so I understand. Their cut remains uniform, thus allowing one to polish for a while, stop, wipe off, and inspect--and repeat if necessary. The non-diminishing nature of the super micro-abrasive technology thus allows for a "polish and inspect" technique that is not appropriate for the diminishing abrasive polishes. We do need to worry whether we have properly broken down SwirlX or Ultimate Compound. We can polish for a couple of passes and then evaluate our result. If the defects are removed, great; if not, we can repeat again. But hazing due to shorter work time should not be a problem for us.

    Please correct me if I am wrong (as I no doubt am). Thanks!

    Cheers,
    Al
    Originally posted by Mike Phillips View Post
    That's a pretty good summary... I'm confident this has bee discussed a number of times, it will just take some time for people to get used to working with these new products.

    Yes, slip of the tongue, my apologies. Either way, the end result is dry buffing is bad when using any cleaner due to the abrasives in them, no matter which type.

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    • #32
      Re: Ultimate Compound messed up my paint

      Looking at the pictures, Charles, I can't help but wonder about a few things:

      1. What sort of applicator did you use? A terry cloth applicator, worked aggressively against delicate paint (anyone remember the couple of Honda Fits we've dealt with recently???) will leave all sorts of marring behind. As Mike Phillips has pointed out, a foam applicator pad is the #1 choice.

      2. It almost looks as though the UC was applied like a wax, allowed to dry, and then removed - sort of. Recall that paint cleaners, cleaner/polishes and pure polishes should not be allowed to dry on the surface, mostly because it can become difficult to remove. In some cases, very difficult. This can lead to a scrubbing of the surface to try and remove the dried product, which again can result in marring of the finish.

      Does any of the above sound like the process you used?
      Michael Stoops
      Senior Global Product & Training Specialist | Meguiar's Inc.

      Remember, this hobby is supposed to be your therapy, not the reason you need therapy.

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      • #33
        Re: Ultimate Compound messed up my paint

        it would be nice if someone that lives near the OP, could give this guy a hand if they have a D/A, etc...

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        • #34
          Re: Ultimate Compound messed up my paint

          Originally posted by Michael Stoops View Post
          Recall that paint cleaners, cleaner/polishes and pure polishes should not be allowed to dry on the surface, mostly because it can become difficult to remove. In some cases, very difficult.

          This can lead to a scrubbing of the surface to try and remove the dried product, which again can result in marring of the finish.
          Meant to add this to this thread,

          Which products need to dry before removing?


          Mike Phillips
          Office: 800-869-3011 x206
          Mike.Phillips@Autogeek.net
          "Find something you like and use it often"

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          • #35
            Re: Ultimate Compound messed up my paint

            Looks like fingertip marring to me. If your hand isn't completely flat across the pad or towel you are using to apply it and you instead use your fingertips to apply pressure, you get marring like in the picture.

            Also, if you wipe it on like a wax and then let it sit until it dries and try to remove it you will also mess up your paint.
            Owner, Scott's Mobile Auto Detailing

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            • #36
              Re: Ultimate Compound messed up my paint

              Oh my god! Looks frustating...
              Skoda Roomster

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              • #37
                Re: Ultimate Compound messed up my paint

                Originally posted by irf@n View Post
                Oh my god! Looks frustating...
                Actually, with a foam applicator pad and some time it's just as easy to fix this and restore a show car shine as it is to remove the swirls out of any car. It's not a fast process by hand but it can be done.

                Each panel, panel = a door, or a hood, or a roof, etc, needs to be broken up into small sections, about a foot square and then each of these small sections needs to be rubbed-out meticulously, evenly and thoroughly in order to leave a uniform, clear finish. Then move onto the next section and repeat the process while overlapping a little into the previously worked section for UMR.

                UMR = Uniform Material Removal.

                By doing this you can restore a smooth, clear finish perfect for either final polishing or application of a wax or paint sealant.

                If a person cannot invest 2-3 hours to do the cleaning step all at one time then a person could just work a panel at a time, that is clean, polish and wax just the hood in one detailing session and as time permits pick up where you left off and continue working around the car until the entire finish has been restored.

                Mike Phillips
                Office: 800-869-3011 x206
                Mike.Phillips@Autogeek.net
                "Find something you like and use it often"

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                • #38
                  Re: Ultimate Compound messed up my paint

                  First post here but long time reader. Great advice everyone, its great to just read through posts like this and pick up tips/direction alot of people like myself really appreciate it.

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                  • #39
                    Re: Ultimate Compound messed up my paint

                    Originally posted by Oni View Post
                    First post here but long time reader.
                    Since this was your first post, welcome to Meguiar's Online!

                    Mike Phillips
                    Office: 800-869-3011 x206
                    Mike.Phillips@Autogeek.net
                    "Find something you like and use it often"

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                    • #40
                      Re: Ultimate Compound messed up my paint

                      I regret that Charles hasn't returned since Feb 8th to check on the contributions to this thread. He has missed out on some good advice and instruction. I hope he has been able to correct the damage to his car or perhaps found someone who could correct the damage.
                      Swirls hide in the black molecular depths, only waiting for the right time to emerge and destroy your sanity.
                      --Al Kimel

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                      • #41
                        Re: Ultimate Compound messed up my paint

                        I'll shoot him an e-mail on Monday... see if I can prod him into a follow-up...


                        Mike Phillips
                        Office: 800-869-3011 x206
                        Mike.Phillips@Autogeek.net
                        "Find something you like and use it often"

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                        • #42
                          Re: Ultimate Compound messed up my paint

                          I'm really glad I read this before I applied Scratchx 2.0 to my 04 4Runner. I would have made one mistake right away-I would have let it dry!

                          Two scratches, however, DO NOT pass the finger nail test, but I hope with a little effort I can at least make them less visible. I am not ready to work with a compound yet.

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                          • #43
                            Re: Ultimate Compound messed up my paint

                            WOW!!

                            I feel really bad for this guy, his poor car got messed up pretty bad, im sure if he takes time and reads what was posted here and gathers some less aggressive products such as Swirl X then he can correct the damage that has been done. Always do a test spot first is probably the most important piece of info to have.

                            havent heard much from him since , hopefully we can help him
                            Nick
                            Tucker's Detailing Services
                            815-954-0773
                            2012 Ford Transit Connect

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                            • #44
                              Re: Ultimate Compound messed up my paint

                              Originally posted by MyFirstES300 View Post
                              I'm really glad I read this before I applied ScratchX 2.0 to my 04 4Runner. I would have made one mistake right away-I would have let it dry!
                              The only Meguiar's products that need to dry are our waxes, these two thread explain everything,


                              Which products need to dry before removing?


                              The Swipe Test


                              Mike Phillips
                              Office: 800-869-3011 x206
                              Mike.Phillips@Autogeek.net
                              "Find something you like and use it often"

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                              • #45
                                Re: Ultimate Compound messed up my paint

                                Originally posted by Mike Phillips View Post
                                The only Meguiar's products that need to dry are our waxes, these two thread explain everything,


                                Which products need to dry before removing?


                                The Swipe Test


                                Mike, regarding "Which products need to dry before removing?" The ADS website states in the directions for M20 and M21 is to "allow product to dry to a haze." Is this a mistake? Where do the Meguiar's sealants fall into let dry category?

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