M105 with a DA. Why not?

[BlueZero]

Why not M105 with a DA Polisher?

I picked up my bottle of M105 yesterday. I gave it a try by hand and it worked great. I've never had luck with ScratchX (user error I'm sure) but the M105 worked great. I know some have used M105 with a DA and had great results so my questions is...

What is the official reason the DA isn't listed on the bottle?

I'm going to try it out anyway but am wondering what I should be on the look out for.

Thanks!

[Murr1525]

Re: M105 with a DA. Why not?

I recall hearing that the DA didnt work the abrasive agaisnt the paint with enough power/force.

[hngu7721]

Re: M105 with a DA. Why not?

I'm in the same boat as you, albeit M105 and FLEX. Will try it with PFW or Orange LC sometime soon on heavily swirled black Accord.

[PorscheGuy997]

Re: M105 with a DA. Why not?

M105 will work with a DA, but it will dust when used with normal foam pads.

[Mike Phillips]

Re: M105 with a DA. Why not?

Before Meguiar's will make a recommendation for a product, especially a new product we have to establish a very high success rate for the recommendation for a wide spectrum of paints and a wide spectrum of applications, (body shop/detailers/enthusiasts), Barry's standards are very high and for good reasons.

Hopefully everyone reading this knows that we've been very busy here at Meguiar's introducing brand new products that are truly the best of category, for example the M105, the M95, the M86, the D151 and now our washable foam buffing pads.

With that in mind... we're not done yet... there's always more to come... and we're a very fluid company able to change quickly, so even though when we introduced M105 we chose not to include an official recommendation for using M105 with a DA Polisher that doesn't mean that won't change in the future especially if even more new technology is introduced.

[Mike Pennington]

Re: M105 with a DA. Why not?

I picked up my bottle of M105 yesterday. I gave it a try by hand and it worked great. I've never had luck with ScratchX (user error I'm sure) but the M105 worked great. I know some have used M105 with a DA and had great results so my questions is... What is the official reason the DA isn't listed on the bottle? I'm going to try it out anyway but am wondering what I should be on the look out for.

Thanks!

Some additonal info into this topic

The truth of the matter is, M105 was designed specifically with a rotary in mind. That means all the needs of that machine, as well as, that user.

With that said, the characteristics of a D/A and the expectations of a D/A user are different. When used with a D/A, the experience /success rate did not meet our standards so we decided to not recommend it.

What this means for D/A use? Well, there are times when it works great, but there are more often times when it may stick, haze, and be difficult to wipe off. That is just not acceptable by us... Therefore, we don't recommend it up front....If we did , we would have many more upset customers complaining, than we do customers saying it works great by D/A.

Hope that make sense

Mike

[Kevin Brown]

Re: M105 with a DA. Why not?

I'm not an employee of Meguiar's so take it for what it's worth...

If a product cannot deliver consistent, acceptable results amongst a WIDE variety of paint-types, it's not usually recommended as-if it can.

In the case of M105, on some paint-types (And further, if applied incorrectly), it CAN leave haziness due to the repetitive movement of the random-orbital.

Since there's a pretty good likelihood that the average guy might encounter these problems when applying the product with an orbital, I suppose that rather than upset a lot of folk...

It was better to NOT recommend for DA use. Otherwise, they would've had to it than to attach a fold-out brochure on how to get acceptable results on finicky paint-types!

As is the case with any product that's not recommended for a specific use...
Use (and consequent results) are at your own risk.

Alcohol-based glass cleaner on dried tree sap, M40 Vinyl & Rubber to remove stuck-on adhesives, etc...-
Not recommended for these specific jobs, but work well anyway!
Sometimes we find out by accident, and sometimes by experiment.

If you're gonna experiment... Mike Phillips always says:

DO A TEST SPOT FIRST !!

[Kevin Brown]

Re: M105 with a DA. Why not?

WHOOPS!!!!

Sorry, Mikes.

I was writing as you guys were...
I tend to write a bit slower than thou.

Pull the previous post if you so desire, because you said it better than I did.

Sorry!

[Mike Phillips]

Re: M105 with a DA. Why not?

Your insights and comments based upon experience bring up some great points...

[BlueZero]

Re: M105 with a DA. Why not?

Wow guys thanks! I figured there was a good reason behind it just want to know what to be on the look out for. I'll do a test spot and see what happens.

I'm also looking forward to what the future might bring! Just make sure you pace the release of new products out so my finances have time to catch up.

One note too... When I tested it by hand in my garage yesterday it was unbelievable humid in there. So much so some tiles I had put up the week before on my wall had peeled off. I just love products that aren't fussy.

[InfiniteDetail]

Re: M105 with a DA. Why not?

We had excellent results with a flex and M105 on this heavily oxidized '86 Mustang

[Sal329]

Re: M105 with a DA. Why not?

From my searchings M105 and a 4" pad workds great with a DA. I plan on getting 4" pads M105 and M95 next month to try for myself.

[InfiniteDetail]

Re: M105 with a DA. Why not?

From my searchings M105 and a 4" pad workds great with a DA. I plan on getting 4" pads M105 and M95 next month to try for myself.

I've found this to be true. We used a PC with 4" LC Yellow pads on speed 6 with excellent results on this Mustang

[BlueZero]

Re: M105 with a DA. Why not?

I've found this to be true. We used a PC with 4" LC Yellow pads on speed 6 with excellent results on this Mustang

Your link doesn't work. Here it is... Mustang

I used it this past weekend with 5" LC white pads and it worked good. It was starting to dust towards the end but it was hot out and my shade was fading fast.

[InfiniteDetail]

Re: M105 with a DA. Why not?

Your link doesn't work. Here it is... Mustang

Thanks