WHY Speed Level 6 on the G110?

[Ivan Rajic]

Re: WHY Speed Level 6 on the G110?

You know how we introduced M105 and M205? Also products like the new washable foam pads? Behind the scenes we're working on a lot of new products, (we're always working on new and better products), so who's to say that in the future there might be a product and or system introduced that will be recommended to be used on the 6.0 setting.

If you're ever reading one of my posts and you see the words,

at this time

For example,

At this time, Meguiar's recommends using the 5.0 Speed Setting when using our W-8006 with Ultimate Compound.

Those hose words are purposefully selected and used as a way of leaving an opening for changes in the future. Words are important... just ask any lawyer. Learned a long time ago via the forums to choose your words very carefully because there's a small segment of online enthusiasts that will dissect every sentence you write and try to find fault. Seems weird to the rest of us but that's the nature of some people. It's a style of defensive writing, as in only writing or posting things to the forums that I already know I can defect if it's ever challenged. Takes a little longer to think issues through and then form words to create replies that will endure over long periods of time but so far it's proven to be very successful.

Makes sense

[Mike Phillips]

Re: WHY Speed Level 6 on the G110?

I would still like to know, out of complete curiosity, why there is a speed 6?

Is it in case people decided to use a sanding disc? Again, I just want to know, I don't want Meg's to tear it out or anything haha

You know how we introduced M105 and M205? Also products like the new washable foam pads? Behind the scenes we're working on a lot of new products, (we're always working on new and better products), so who's to say that in the future there might be a product and or system introduced that will be recommended to be used on the 6.0 setting.

If you're ever reading one of my posts and you see the words,

at this time

For example,

At this time, Meguiar's recommends using the 5.0 Speed Setting when using our W-8006 with Ultimate Compound.

Those hose words are purposefully selected and used as a way of leaving an opening for changes in the future. Words are important... just ask any lawyer. Learned a long time ago via the forums to choose your words very carefully because there's a small segment of online enthusiasts that will dissect every sentence you write and try to find fault. Seems weird to the rest of us but that's the nature of some people. It's a style of defensive writing, as in only writing or posting things to the forums that I already know I can defect if it's ever challenged. Takes a little longer to think issues through and then form words to create replies that will endure over long periods of time but so far it's proven to be very successful.

[Ivan Rajic]

Re: WHY Speed Level 6 on the G110?

Mike, being who you are, I can understand you not wanting to discuss anything like this and taking a more defensive approach, so let's just leave it at that. You have to deal with those who complain to you even if you clearly state to try stuff at their own risk... which is what I did, thinking whoever tried would have enough sense never to complain to Meg's about it as that's not their recommendation... many people don't have that sense so I shouldn't even mention it...

I would still like to know, out of complete curiosity, why there is a speed 6? Is it in case people decided to use a sanding disc? Again, I just want to know, I don't want Meg's to tear it out or anything haha

[Mike Phillips]

Re: WHY Speed Level 6 on the G110?

I asked a question out of curiosity and got an answer as if I was saying Meg's is wrong for recommending it... I'll make sure I make no recommendations that differ from what's on the instructions from now on if those are the rules...

You have to remember, this isn't "Mike's Forum", it's Meguiar's forum and I'm held accountable for ALL the content on this forum including forum members recommending speed settings outside what Meguiar's recommends.

Sometime when I type up an answer I'm not just typing for the member in the discussion but for all the people that will read this thread into the future. We've had threads like this in the past where members have made their own recommendations against what the Meguiar's recommendations are and what they need to do is start their own forum where they can recommend anything they want and when their customers/members have problems they can then use their time and resources to solve their customer/member's problems.

however, don't better tools and products stem from forums, discussions, different uses,etc.? I thought that was the purpose of the forum so forgive me for assuming that...

You're talking to a guy that's been on forums since before vBulletin forums was released, I go back to documented 1994 on rec.autos. which then morphed into rec.autos.tech and rec.autos.misc These were text based bulletin boards.

So yes I completely understand how the interaction on a discussion forum can lead to improvements in all areas of life, but at this time the official recommendation from Meguiar's is to stay at or below the 5.0 Speed Setting for our tools, our backing plates and our pads.

In any case, I've actually experienced the heat transfer you mentioned on the old PC I got from ads.net and only the backing plate Velcro started failing/melting lightly... this was from heavy use in one day though on a hot day so it was somewhat expected...

I've melted a few things in my detailing life...

As for all the paint you buffed, I do agree.. speed 5 will work on practically any paint, hard or soft... I was stating that speed 6 might be a bit too aggressive for some very soft paints.

My mistake then, all this time I thought you've been promoting the use of the 6.0 speed setting and questioning why we don't recommend it.

My apologies. When I get caught up I'll read through this entire post to make sure of what's really being discussed and recommended. At this time however there are more pressing priorities.

[Ivan Rajic]

Re: WHY Speed Level 6 on the G110?

Mike, I'll just say this one more time to make it clear... I asked out of pure curiosity as I don't remember seeing a clear explanation for it before... I didn't ask because I think Meg's shouldn't recommend staying away from speed 6... I've seen the 'recommended speed, etc." thread before and started off with speed 5 years ago... speed 6 worked better so hey, why not...

As for your other links, it doesn't give a 'why' as far as speed 6 goes, and on top of that it actually gives help to people who won't follow instructions... W7207 cutting pad isn't meant for a DA, yet you state that it can in fact be an effective cutting pad if used at speed 5 or less... so why not give me some advice on how to effectively use speed 6 on a machine that's not intended for it instead of crucifying me for recommending an available speed on the machine?

[Ivan Rajic]

Re: WHY Speed Level 6 on the G110?

Meguiar's recommends staying around the 5.0 Speed Setting because running the polisher at the 6.0 speed setting for too long creates a lot of heat that transfers to the backing plate and then the foam pad and the combination of violent oscillating action at the 6.0 speed setting, the chemicals involved and the heat will tend to loosen the adhesive contact between the Velcro Interface and the foam.

Some people like to run the polisher at the higher speed and don't have any problems with it but on this forum we stick with the Meguiar's recommendations and we don't allow our members to recommend something to our forum members that goes against the Meguiar's recommendation because if the customer has a problem we're the ones that will be held accountable and have to solve the problem, not the member posting under an anonymous nickname.

Make sense?


For what it's worth, out of the thousands of pictures I've personally posted from working on thousands of cars over the years at our training classes, cars I've NEVER worked on before so I don't know if the paint is hard or soft, or if the defects are deep or shallow, in front of anywhere from 2- to 40 people, ALL of the before and after shots where correction was done was performed on the 5.0 Speed Setting.

That's a lot of mystery paint I've buffed on in front of anywhere from 40 to 60 eyeballs and then the cars are backed out into full sun for everyone to see the results, and then of course the pictures are posted to the forum.

Besides speed, there are other factors that are just as important like good technique and choosing the right product for the job.

Mike your answer is directed at a 25 year old not a 10 year old, so yes English language makes sense to me and stick poking smilies are... well...
I asked a question out of curiousity and got an answer as if I was saying Meg's is wrong for recommending it... I'll make sure I make no recommendations that differ from what's on the instructions from now on if those are the rules... however, don't better tools and products stem from forums, discussions, different uses,etc.? I thought that was the purpose of the forum so forgive me for assuming that...

In any case, I've actually experienced the heat transfer you mentioned on the old PC I got from ads.net and only the backing plate velcro started failing/melting lightly... this was from heavy use in one day though on a hot day so it was somewhat expected...

As for all the paint you buffed, I do agree.. speed 5 will work on practically any paint, hard or soft... I was stating that speed 6 might be a bit too aggressive for some very soft paints.

[Mike Phillips]

Re: WHY Speed Level 6 on the G110?

Why does Meguiar's recommend staying away from speed 6? If it was posted I must have missed it, sorry.

What the heck, took me a few nano seconds to find this thread,

Product, Pad and Speed settings for the Porter Cable Dual Action Polisher

[Mike Phillips]

Re: WHY Speed Level 6 on the G110?

Why does Meguiar's recommend staying away from speed 6? If it was posted I must have missed it, sorry.

It's posted in the thread for the speed settings for the G100/G110/G220, and its also in these threads for the new 2.0 pads as well as other places throughout this forum. We have some more pressing priorities this week or we would locate them for you and post the links for your reading pleasure. Maybe one of our Super Sleuths can help you out in this area.

Washable 7" Soft Buff 2.0 Foam Pads
W7207 Washable Foam Cutting Pad
W8207 - Washable Foam Polishing Pad
W9207 - Washable Foam Finishing Pad

[Mike Phillips]

Re: WHY Speed Level 6 on the G110?

Why does Meguiar's recommend staying away from speed 6? If it was posted I must have missed it, sorry.

Meguiar's recommends staying around the 5.0 Speed Setting because running the polisher at the 6.0 speed setting for too long creates a lot of heat that transfers to the backing plate and then the foam pad and the combination of violent oscillating action at the 6.0 speed setting, the chemicals involved and the heat will tend to loosen the adhesive contact between the Velcro Interface and the foam.

Some people like to run the polisher at the higher speed and don't have any problems with it but on this forum we stick with the Meguiar's recommendations and we don't allow our members to recommend something to our forum members that goes against the Meguiar's recommendation because if the customer has a problem we're the ones that will be held accountable and have to solve the problem, not the member posting under an anonymous nickname.

Make sense?


For what it's worth, out of the thousands of pictures I've personally posted from working on thousands of cars over the years at our training classes, cars I've NEVER worked on before so I don't know if the paint is hard or soft, or if the defects are deep or shallow, in front of anywhere from 2- to 40 people, ALL of the before and after shots where correction was done was performed on the 5.0 Speed Setting.

That's a lot of mystery paint I've buffed on in front of anywhere from 40 to 60 eyeballs and then the cars are backed out into full sun for everyone to see the results, and then of course the pictures are posted to the forum.

Besides speed, there are other factors that are just as important like good technique and choosing the right product for the job.

[Ivan Rajic]

Re: WHY Speed Level 6 on the G110?

Ironically enough, that information is coming from the same forum member whose signature says "Always start with the least aggressive method!"

I guess it would be ironic in a way if I was recommending using G110, sanding disc and speed 6... if using speed 6 on the PC with something like M205 and a polishing pad, instead of speed 5, is considered aggressive then people all around the world should throw out their rotary machines... if you use the G110/PC enough, you'll see it simply comes down to user preference 99% of the time, and I prefer speed 5 sometimes simply because it vibrates less and makes less noise than speed 6... if, however, I'm using the G110 to do a 1-step or maybe even 2-step correction, and not just a quick 1-step with a lighter polish, speed 6 is where the dial sits.

[Ivan Rajic]

Re: WHY Speed Level 6 on the G110?

Why does Meguiar's recommend staying away from speed 6? If it was posted I must have missed it, sorry.

[phrawstbyte]

Re: WHY Speed Level 6 on the G110?

I've used speed 6 while using a claybar pad... it did a hell of a job but the pad didnt last more than 1 car IF it completed the whole car... but the rep that sold those pads to the car wash that I was working at that time stated it was meant for that speed...

[joncz]

Re: WHY Speed Level 6 on the G110?

6?!?

Pah! My DA goes up to 11!

[ClearlyCoated]

Re: WHY Speed Level 6 on the G110?

I fired up my new G110 last night and went through the speed settings just to test the chatter. I dialed in speed 6 but had to shut it down almost instantly when I noticed a small tear forming in the space-time continuum!

[ColonelCash]

Re: WHY Speed Level 6 on the G110?

And please do note that the above is a recommendation by a member and his recommendation is not endorsed by Meguiar's, so if you follow their advice and have problems please contact them.

Thanks

Ironically enough, that information is coming from the same forum member whose signature says "Always start with the least aggressive method!"